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NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Post by lukeasrodgers »

tomp wrote: post #281
stjohnswarts wrote: post #255

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Not really, they were watching out for the health of other employees who had to work with employees that refused to do the most basic acts to prevent the spread of a deadly virus.

You're 100% bought into the propaganda. Isn't it time to pause and reflect? Btw. "the science" hasn't changed. The vaccine never stopped the spread. There were no studies indicating that it did (medical trials were about hospitalisations / death, not infections / spreading). You fell for the fake science propagated by fake news media.

Interesting, I never bothered to investigate the basis of that claim. According to https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02328-0, a recent study does show that the vaccine was effective at preventing the spread, which is unsurprising to me. What is surprising is that the article claims this was the first study of the effectiveness against spreading an infection.

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Post by up2isomorphism »

tptacek wrote: post #20

This is a confusing headline. The judgement here is in NY state court, and pertains to employees of and in the City of New York, which enacted a vaccine requirement for employees of the city and later private employers in the city. Months later, Eric Adams was elected mayor of NYC, and he issued an executive order exempting athletes, performers, and artists from the mandate. Petitioners sued, saying that the mandate…

Vaccine mandate is unlawful to begin with so there is nothing to sabotage.

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Post by tomp »

lukeasrodgers wrote: post #331
tomp wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're 100% bought into the propaganda. Isn't it time to pause and reflect? Btw. "the science" hasn't changed. The vaccine never stopped the spread. There were no studies indicating that it did (medical trials were about hospitalisations / death, not infections / spreading). You fell for the fake science propagated by fake news media.

Interesting, I never bothered to investigate the basis of that claim. According to https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02328-0 , a recent study does show that the vaccine was effective at preventing the spread, which is unsurprising to me. What is surprising is that the article claims this was the first study of the effectiveness against spreading an infection.

> those who received at least one vaccine shot were 24% less likely to infect close contacts

At best you could claim “reducing the spread” (but marginally) and in now way “preventing”.

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Post by phpisthebest »

SllX wrote: post #69
phpisthebest wrote: post #60

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This is also shown in polling data, where congress on the whole has an approval rating of less than 10%, yet most years the incumbent is reelected That statistic alone has me questioning if democracy is a good system

That’s easy: it’s not our guy! It’s those other guys! We’re wonderful and they’re terrible! That’s how incumbents can maintain their edge whilst Congress as a body is untrusted. I’m convinced that capping the House of Representatives at 435 was a mistake, and Federalizing most laws even more of a mistake. The question isn’t whether democracy can scale, but whether ours can within its present constraints. The reforms…

I have been in favor of 3 changes to the House.

1. Wyoming Rule. No district should be larger than the least populist state.

2. Make DC a Museum. With modern technology there is no need to "send" legislatures to Washington DC, they can vote, meet, etc all remotely. This will make lobbying more expensive, and put the representatives back in their actual communities, because lets face it most of them represent Washington DC not Local Communities.

3. Expand the Term to 4 Years, with a 2 year offset to the president Election. So every 4 years the entire house is elected as a Mid Presidential term Election

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Post by phpisthebest »

nobody9999 wrote: post #231
midoridensha wrote: post #92

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There's nothing stopping the state from renaming the courts now to conform with established convention in the rest of the nation, in order to reduce confusion.

>There's nothing stopping the state from renaming the courts now to conform with established convention in the rest of the nation, in order to reduce confusion. I imagine that the entire New York Legislature are hanging their heads in shame for confusing a few dozen folks on HN who don't even live in the state. I further imagine that it will immediately become important for the governor to call an emergency session o…

I suspect the current Governor of NY would rather just abolish all the courts since she clearly does not believe in arresting or prosecuting any crime

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Post by Blahagun »

Maursault wrote: post #140
tb_technical wrote: post #73

They took people's livelyhoods away, and now they gotta pay.

They were fired for cause, namely, insubordination. The resistance to vaccination is entirely political. The mandate was not, but instead in the interests of public safety and health. Easing the mandate for special cases was a terrible decision. The decision to ease the mandate should be reversed, not the mandate itself. So quickly they've forgotten the piles of bodies of COVID victims in NYC.

>So quickly they've forgotten the piles of bodies of COVID victims in NYC.

What are talking about? What piles of bodies?

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Post by throwawaylinux »

hotpotamus wrote: post #315
throwawaylinux wrote: post #272

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Yes that seems to be how it goes. Drum up irrational fear, lay the blame at the others, create hatred against them, then it becomes almost a self-sustaining mass psychosis. Intellectually I understood that's basically how it works, I guess I just didn't want to believe it. People didn't care that vaccines didn't stop the virus spreading, they didn't care that insignificant transmission occurred due to individuals or…

Is fear of dying irrational? I mean, it's going to happen to us all anyway, so does it matter if it's via airborne virus or whatever it is that conservatives fear is going to kill them?

Fear of dying of covid because someone is taking their child to play in a park certainly is.

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Post by throwawaylinux »

scatters wrote: post #309
throwawaylinux wrote: post #151

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People were rabidly cheering it on too. Police going around shutting playgrounds and arresting parents for playing outdoors with their children, while at the same time the politicians they voted for were constantly and egregiously shown to be flouting the rules on frivolities, parties, travel, fun. And there were excuses for the politicians and bloodlust for the commoner trying to exercise or raise their child. Absol…

You've got cause and effect backwards. Societies have to overreact to pandemics, because those that didn't got wiped out - eventually. Enforcement of quarantine and similar measures through extreme social norms is a necessary adaptation to the threat of plague; civilization wouldn't be able to exist without it.

No I don't think I do have it backward.

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Post by throwawaylinux »

themitigating wrote: post #293
throwawaylinux wrote: post #237

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And I meant it's just simple corruption because there is little to no evidence that can be produced which supports the fringe theory that politicians care about the city's finances or what is and is not a big deal to the common people. They care about their finances and those of their friends and lobbyists and donors, so corruption is the simplest and most obvious explanation.

So you say there's no evidence for one theory then offer your own with no evidence?

There is lots of evidence that politicians are corrupt.

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Post by viridian »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #230
tlogan wrote: post #216

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I think it is important to understand that not all people who against vax mandates are anti-vaxers.

I thought about this for several moments, and I disagree. Vaccines offer some personal protection but predominantly become effective by achieving herd immunity. Vaccine hesitancy undermines this goal and weakens the system. Being pro-vaccine is senseless without being in favor of enough people being vaccinated to provide strong immunity, including for those who cannot be vaccinated due to medical complications. Even…

This is a crazy level of absolutism that seems only to exist to force a "with us or against us" reaction.

I think everyone where I live should probably be supplementing vitamin D in the winter months because it is damn near impossible for even people working outdoors all day to get enough vitamin D through natural sunlight at this parallel. Never would I dream of mandating a vitamin D regimen to people. My lack of wanting a vitamin D mandate, by your very argument, would make me anti vitamin D.

I take vitamin D daily, and have convinced others they probably should too, which I think makes me an advocate on some level. If even your top percentile advocates are "anti" from your operating definition, because they don't go far enough, you may be an extremist.

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