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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by dmonitor »

layer8 wrote: post #252
neogodless wrote: post #143

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For me personally - Taskbar cannot be pinned to the side on my widescreen monitors - Items on taskbar cannot be un-grouped - Cannot show text on taskbar - News/weather widget is awful, full of clickbait news and tiny Weather widget, which is vastly inferior to having a live tile that opens to a full screen weather app - Reduced start menu customization (live tiles / grid are replaced with folders that add an extra cl…

- The awful new context menu in Explorer.

it's so terrible that they even have to include a "show the good context menu" button

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Post by MBCook »

karmelapple wrote: post #322
MBCook wrote: post #309

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Someone had a battery life test for phones. The iPhones beat the android phones in nearly every test by hours. And they only had 60-70% of the raw battery capacity. And you know they have faster processors too. It’s so weird to me. The A series is kind of “that doesn’t count” because the competition can’t get close. The M series wowed people and then we all went back to normal AMD/Intel stuff like nothing happened. I…

Who went back to AMD/Intel stuff? Any Apple user is far away from that, and comparing the performance, heat, noise, and battery differences between my Intel and Apple Silicon computers, I have no desire to regularly use an Intel machine until they make some stratospheric leap. (I still need it for some x86 vagrant boxes I have though!)

I meant the rest of the industry. They said “wow” and then went back to business as usual. They had talking points about how they’ll improve and performance (as always) and efficiency got talked up more.

But when will any of that show up? Hardware takes time but I just don’t see reviewers demanding it. They’ll be happy if it shows up but they’re not calling out “this isn’t good enough” and I just don’t get it. How can they use an M1 and go back to a hot low battery life Intel laptop in the same price class and say “this is fine?”

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Post by zeusk »

Funnyduck99 wrote: post #247
zeusk wrote: post #229

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Surface Pro X had some traction, but they share the chassis with Surface Pro 7 and 8 so you wouldn't be able to tell even if you passed by one.

No the 7 is different, but I believe the 8 and 9 look the same

Ah my bad, I meant 8 and 9.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by 1123581321 »

wmf wrote: post #328
1123581321 wrote: post #310

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The Apple dev kit was about two thirds the speed of an Intel Mac Mini. Microsoft or Qualcomm hasn’t shown us what their production PC Arm chip will look like.

Production ARM Surfaces have been out for a while; they have lower specs than this dev kit.

I assume this dev kit is leading up to an announcement of significantly more performant PC hardware. If I’m mistaken, that’s disappointing.

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Post by kotaKat »

Joe_Boogz wrote: post #197

It appears the consensus is HN is hesitant about the Windows on ARM push. I really want this to succeed. If this gains traction then we should start seeing support for windows laptops on ARM. As a dev who prefers windows but has a m1 MacBook b/c of the battery life I really hope this works out.

Yeah, I'm sitting here shocked at everyone's hate. I took a major leap and bought a Thinkpad X13s, with the same 8cx Gen 3 CPU this thing has.

I am beyond impressed at it. Windows 11 on it - while, yes, it's Windows 11 with its own concerns and issues - runs flawlessly. I've been able to run my traditional x86 and x64 workloads - even things like arm64 Tailscale without issues, and I get amazing battery life.

I am 100% for this thing. It's value for money in the high-performance ARM Windows rig market. It benches similarly to a ~11th gen i5 and runs the part.

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Post by siggen »

kstrauser wrote: post #196
bigmattystyles wrote: post #142

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>> Also, frankly, I'm okay with Microsoft failing at projects like this. We don't need another Apple-like presence on the market. Don't we?

I’ve gotta agree with you there. I love my Apple gear, but I hear and understand the criticisms against them. The above argument sounds to me like “you think one monopolist is bad? Wait until there are 2 of them!”

It will be an oligopoly then.

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Post by [deleted] »

awill wrote: post #78

The difference here is that the M1 in the M1 mac mini is faster than Apple's phone SoC (the A16). The Qualcomm 8cx gen 3 (what a terrible name) in this machine is NOT faster than even Qualcomm's phone SoC (the 8 gen 1), let alone Apple's phone SoC. It's absurd to be selling a desktop PC that's weaker than a phone.

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Post by vetinari »

sedatk wrote: post #257
mackal wrote: post #245

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Secure boot is going to be forced on.

which Linux can run on perfectly fine.

Depends if it will enforce Windows' CA only, or if it will trust UEFI 3rd party CA too. See also "Secured-core PCs".
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