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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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I am genuinely curious about what’s the appeal of SF?

The food is good, the weather is perfect, you can walk around and it's dense but not too dense, the views are insane.

> the views are insane

This is my primary explanation when I lived in the city. I would walk my dog to the top of Buena Vista park nearly every morning at sunrise and marvel at the city in awe.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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This is more about a breakdown in the rule of law. The DA wasn't prosecuting and the police weren't arresting. Blaming it on "inequality" feels like a cop out for the criminals. There are plenty of ways to get by in the world without resorting to theft. It's a lifestyle choice more than it's any significant source of income. Stealing a loaf of bread to feed your family is one thing. Virtually all of the theft in SF i…

The DA wasn't prosecuting Boudin prosecuted a higher percentage of cases than Jenkins. In fact Jenkins dropped a number of cases that Boudin brought and she disbanded the group investigating and prosecuting corruption within SFPD ranks. the police weren't arresting. This, however, is completely true and hasn't changed since Breed installed her pick for DA. Let's not forget that Breed required pre-signed resignation l…

Police just stopped bothering to present crimes that fell into the categories that weren't being prosecuted. Why would they put in the time and effort to present a petty theft case if the DA's office is publicly on record saying they won't prosecute it?

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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I live in Boston, which is a similar size and population to SF, and it's extremely safe. There is some crime but even something minor like porch pirates are pretty much not a thing. There is a skid row named "Mass and Cass" which has had HBO documentaries made about it, but there are a lot of protests from citizens advocating to clean it up. At some point you need the police to arrest all these people and throw them…

Been in Boston for 15 years. Never had a problem. I've crossed the city many times at 2am walking drunk from a bar, nothing. Not even a single package theft in 15 years.

As a male, I've done the same in Atlanta and in Seattle. In Atlanta, was so late coming home that the transit was closed and I walked 7ish miles to get home. Through downtown.

I still don't claim it is a safer city than Seattle. Not by a long shot. Just as I don't recommend walking downtown Seattle super late. Though, of course, have done so many times. Similarly, we never had package theft in Seattle. I don't know how I could claim that isn't a thing, though.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Copaganda also describes true but misleading statements, and includes things like news organizations naïvely taking the cops at their word, shows like CSI and Law & Order, etc. In this case, "Any item stolen from you?" seems to include having an Amazon package stolen off your porch, which happens widely (including to me) here in suburban upstate NY too.

Is someone's stealing something off your porch not stealing? This level of crime used to be something we'd attribute to failed communities and not acceptable for civilized people (those living in cities)

Porch piracy seems the easiest thing in the world to catch especially in the era of work from home and infinite ring cameras. Not bothering indicates nobody really cares because Amazon is subsidizing it.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Why is everything “better” or “worse”. City vs. City. This is such a lame argument and only feeds whoever is seeking validation that they live in right place

Between myself and ~20 people I know well I have never heard of anyone having their car broken into, nor any packages stolen. This is a medium size Canadian city. I leave my packages outside overnight without issue.

I do the same in Las Vegas, "sin city" moniker and all. I lived in Boston, NYC, LA, Montreal, and Spokane. I had two bikes stolen while I was working at the county public defender's and my girlfriend called the police, filed out a report, and nothing ever came down the line on the other side. The officer tried to talk her out of filing the report. Since I've worked in other jurisdictions and have heard broadly about how few fucks are given about property crimes generally, we don't even know how high or low this figure is in comparison to other cities with different policies. It could very well be true that people are experiencing recency bias, triggered by a question that touches upon something that wasn't taken seriously to begin with.

Also, I live in Las Vegas now and I also don't know anyone who had their car broken into or packages stolen. I left my Steam Deck outside for 48 hours since it was delivered early and hidden poorly, but I wasn't looking and didn't even notice it. But since none of the polls - the Chronicle or the Standard's - mention vehicle prowling, we have even less data on that. Why even bring it up? Nobody was expecting Rumble in the Bronx (great movie in spite of the whole movie being made up of stereotypes).

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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What about $18.2 million for 260 tents? That's ~$5,000 a month per tent, which is more than I paid for my apartment in downtown SF. https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/S-F-officials-w... It's just plain corruption, and it won't stop until voters make it stop.

It's still cheaper than incarceration, which apparently costs $64K in 2015[0]. [0] https://www.vera.org/publications/price-of-prisons-2015-stat...

We do need to get that figure down. The US can benefit greatly from mass incarceration, if only we can get the costs under control.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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The rampant organized bike theft is particularly obnoxious not only is the theft disproportionately impactful relative to the value since you needed the bike for transportation-- but it's particularly easy to do something about it because its so organized and large scale: Put out bait bikes with trackers and/or surveillance. (and plus, when you bust a big operation and now have a ton of bikes whos owners can't be loc…

I think this is much harder in practice. These “honeypots” are often considered entrapment and cause the case to get thrown out.

They did that here, and had a pretty good track record of convictions:

https://www.bendbulletin.com/localstate/bait-bike-program-cu...

Bike thieves are the freaking worst.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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As someone that's never been a victim of theft, that's wild and I feel like it would just ruin things for quite awhile. I had what I assume was a drunk person, try to get into my apartment once. Not something that should be too scary but I felt uneasy for some time after that. I'd be out wiring the house like ft. knox the next day, if that happened to me haha.

Without doxing yourself can you give a general idea where this place is? Do you know lots of people that have experienced theft and you are just lucky, or is it unusual? I don't think I even know anyone who hasn't had packages stolen or a car broken into or stuff taken from their yard at least. One guy where I used to live went in to get some water while mowing his front yard and came back as people drove away with h…

I've lived in several small towns in upstate New York where it's very common to leave vehicles and dwellings unlocked.
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