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I don’t work at Microsoft, but another large corporation, and have been told by my manager that right now it is difficult for a white male to get promoted and that we may need to do some strange maneuvers to make it happen if I’m interested in a promo. Was kind of taken aback by the bluntness.
What always bothered me about DE&I initiatives is that they are trying to wring diversity out of their existing hiring pool. If your indeed job posts didn't bring diverse candidates then, why do you think it would now? Because you added a "Please apply if you're DiVeRsE" line to it? Don't be ridiculous. If you want diversity of candidates you can't keep going back to the same talent pools. You have to diversify where…
I would assume the diverse hiring pools come with candidates that are not as qualified as the other pools. That's the flip side to this.
Do business hire from specific pools for biased or performance reasons? I think the assumption is that all hiring inequality is the result of bias. What if it isn't?
Why would anyone support a system that explicitly dis-empowers them in preference to other identity groups who themselves are perfectly fine to pursue their own self interest? After years of this, are the "privileged" getting the picture yet? You are a target for elimination in popular society. Either you take your own side, or no one will. There is a clear zero-sum aspect to this. The cultural brainwashing that ther…
I've been at a particular company for 20 years. For most of those years our main focus was our core mission, but over the past few years D&I has risen to be our main focus. I've seen people hired who clearly are not qualified and often are not trainable to become qualified. An example is a woman who refused to take any hard assignments and usually made no progress on the easy stuff she was assigned. She was certainly…
Apparently fulfilling the D&I quota is worth 6 figures to the company.
Or the company is rich enough not to really care about the waste at this point.
I doubt such a person would last through one round of layoffs if there was real pressure to reduce costs.
Why would anyone support a system that explicitly dis-empowers them in preference to other identity groups who themselves are perfectly fine to pursue their own self interest? After years of this, are the "privileged" getting the picture yet? You are a target for elimination in popular society. Either you take your own side, or no one will. There is a clear zero-sum aspect to this. The cultural brainwashing that ther…
Are you afraid of not having privilege? Do you think that's a symptom of how we treat the unfortunate, or the cause?
The increase from 3.7% to 5.6% black executives as a sign of lowering standards, when black people are 14% of the population in the country... Can we first establish what percentage of managers people genuinely think got their job based on merit as a baseline? An equal explanation might be that because Microsoft forced people to actually interview black people at all, more qualified black candidates were hired.
Yes, but if you are looking at the population of rust dev with a background in system coding, or telecom engineer with ciso certification, the stats don't look like the ones of the general population at all. In my university, in the whole class, we had 0 non white, and a single woman. Now, you may argue that we should fix that. But that's another debate, the thing is, people are hiring from the pool we have right now…
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Disadvantage is not solely based on wealth, though it does play a large part. If you presuppose that giving disadvantaged groups an extra chance is a positive (your argument sort of does already) and only use wealth as a factor, isn't it still a net positive to uplift the typically poorer group? Doesn't that rightfully uplift more people than it does "wrongly"?
I notice that you only use the word “group” above and not “people” or some older word acknowledging that that’s what these groups are made of. Why judge people by the groups that were born into when we could be judging them as individuals instead?
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Apparently fulfilling the D&I quota is worth 6 figures to the company.
> Apparently fulfilling the D&I quota is worth 6 figures to the company. Or the company is rich enough not to really care about the waste at this point. I doubt such a person would last through one round of layoffs if there was real pressure to reduce costs.