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The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman

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Re: The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman

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Post by jefftk »

strenholme wrote: post #221
BeefWellington wrote: post #135

I think the thing I'd like to have clarified: Why does chess.com care about the results of an OTB game? I can understand their online tournaments being something they care about and why they might rescind an invitation based on these allegations but there's something very strange about them taking it upon themselves to ban him from the platform as a result of his play against someone whose company they're in the proc…

This is my general take on it. As I posted on Twitter: As one example, chess.com thinks it’s suspicious that Hans became a grandmaster at 17 instead of a younger age (page 15 of the report), but keep in mind that the legendary Joseph Henry Blackburne didn’t learn to even how to play chess until he was 17. More recently, world champion #15 Vishy Anand did not become a grandmaster until he was 18. Point being, it argue…

> To ban someone as an adult for something done while a juvenile is generally considered immoral

I don't think it's so clear, especially when the time elapsed is short.

If you cheated I'm a game we played yesterday and today is your 18th birthday I'm still not going to trust you today.

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Post by dspillett »

lr1970 wrote: post #327
patmcc wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Online chess is bigger than ever, and some kind of botting/cheating is possible for virtually every e-sport (indeed I'd say many are easier than chess). I think it's the other way, chess is about as easy to cheat as it gets. With chess you can have a perfectly usable cheating system that isn't on the same computer at all - computer A is clean, and is where you actually play on chess.com, computer B is where you ent…

You can point a camera on the first computer screen to capture and analyze GO board and second computer will provide suggestions. No need to memorize anything.

Or if the system allows live spectators, just log another machine in as one of those and scrape the data that way, possibly more reliable than adding machine vision into the mix. That won't work for contests that have a broadcast delay though.

Re: The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman

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Post by mellosouls »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #320
mellosouls wrote: post #30

I've only really looked at the WSJ version but I'm scratching my head at what the big reveal is here - we already know - by Hans admission - he cheated online when he was 12 and 16. I think anybody who knows how online chess tournaments work assumed those two times would cover multiple games and dates. Other statistical analyses have been published that indicate no evidence for OTB cheating. The negative against Niem…

I think the big reveal was 100+ games where it's extremely likely he cheated including prize games

I can't remember the exact wording of his denial but I was thinking of him copping to two periods, which would cover 100+ games easily (any online regular can play more than that over a few days), so the report isn't a major surprise in that respect.

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Post by Zababa »

remarkEon wrote: post #286
maegul wrote: post #158

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I would be surprised of over-the-board cheating was viable in the long term. Seems like it should be relatively easy to stamp out provided there's a will to do so.

Just play it naked. Ban cameras, except for internal closed circuit systems for tracking the board.

I've seen on the last thread that sometimes for cheating one bit of data is enough, something like a signal at some point where you could make a decisive move. I wonder, then, how you could send stealthily to someone a bit of data. Something like an implant under the skin giving a slight shock or vibration or heat. The answer to that would be to block signals from entering the space where the game is played, but then maybe you could implant a whole device in yourself to do that. I'm not sure how you could give it the data of the current game though.

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Post by arrow7000 »

User23 wrote: post #164
bsder wrote: post #66

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> > The conventional wisdom is that if you are not a GM by age 14, it is unlikely that you can reach the top levels of chess. This is confusing correlation and causation. One thing that people don't realize is the sheer amount of money required to become a "GM". You have to get a certain number of "norms" from FIDE and the requirements list is a PITA: https://chessgoals.com/how-to-get-a-grandmaster-norm/ If you don't…

That's why I quit playing seriously when I was still an underclassman. It was overwhelmingly obvious that merely being well above average was completely irrelevant, and there was absolutely no practical reason for me to play chess whatsoever. Although it did subsequently get me laid once or twice, which in retrospect still surprises me.

I didn't know there was a thriving chess groupie scene

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Post by JshWright »

gammarator wrote: post #115
JshWright wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What next, competitive fishing?

… actually yes, if you haven’t seen it: https://www.npr.org/2022/10/03/1126570725/fish-weights-walle...

Oh man, that would have been one hell of a coincidence if I wasn't making that reference

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

AlbertCory wrote: post #197

I was about to ask "what does Kasparov say?" but decided to research it first. Very disappointing, but coming from him I'm not surprised. See below. [1] https://www.chessdom.com/garry-kasparov-carlsens-behavior-wa... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LaEipwGi0o His Twitter feed is all Ukraine stuff, AFAICT. Maybe he's said something more than the above (?) Personal story: I was the host at his Google talk in Mt. V…

How did he dare remark that your failure made his life harder? He is only one of the greatest GM of all times, he should know better than disrespecting you by stating a fact.

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Post by [deleted] »

jsnell wrote: post #15

Releasing Exhibit C seems like a huge lapse in judgement from chess.com; they've supposedly redacted it, but there's so much information there that it has to be completely trivial to deanonymize. Like, just how many of the people with a 2700+ rating played in chess.com money tournaments until suddenly creating a new account in July 2020 and then didn't play in such tournaments for a year. If that still doesn't narrow…

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