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Re: Dear Chess World

#331

The bigger question to me is why Nieman, who had admitted cheating in the past, was admitted to the tournament in the first place.

He hasn't cheated in a FIDE event as far as FIDE knows. Banning him for cheating at 12 and 16 in an unrelated to them place (and not even OTB) without anything else would just be bizarre. Even more so, when players who have actually cheated in actual FIDE OTB games as adults start off with a temporary rather than permanent ban.

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#332

The questions I have about this are pretty basic: 1. How would Niemann have cheated? The shoe computer theory is a bit far fetched - are devices that small capable enough? Is he suspected of having an accomplice? 2. Why didn't Magnus just say something right away? He could have easily made his accusations at the moment to event organizers - quietly - and they could have had Niemann remove his shoes or something. Inst…

> are devices that small capable enough? yes, the tech is there But yes, I agree that Carlsen should have just refused to play Hans after Sinquefield

The cheating technique could be ingenious in itself. I remember what students were coming up in high-school, back in the day, without modern technology.

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post #167

This is highly disappointing. For one thing, the fact that Carlsen is making this statement now and not weeks earlier is embarrassing. For another, the evidence he presents is disappointingly weak. I can understand being suspicious of online games. Fair enough. But the evidence for cheating offline is: 1) Rapid progress in OTB chess. This rapid progress is still much less rapid than many other players and involved Ha…

>the fact that Carlsen is making this statement now and not weeks earlier is embarrassing Why?

Left the fanbase to stew about it for weeks. Ridiculous. This just makes things worse.

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#334
post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true at all. For instance Nepominatchi commented on game saying Niemann's play was "more than impressive"[1]. Not commenting on the situation per se, merely your "clear consensus among other top chess players" comment. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEPmminIC7g

Can mean anything. It was very impressive.

You are hung up on the wrong thing. Parent writes: "[clear consensus that] there was absolutely nothing unusual about it", I quote one of the greats saying the game is "more than impressive", which, at least we should agree, is the exact opposite of claiming there is "nothing unusual about this game". Onus is on parent to come up with a list of grandmasters claiming the game was "usual", at least I provided one refutation but there are many.

Re: Dear Chess World

#335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero tolerance blacklisting of cheaters is probably the best way forward. If neither Niemann nor Carlsen recant, then I predict chess will fall into general disrepute like baseball or billiards. The way for the professional chess community to salvage this situation is with zero tolerance blacklisting of anybody caught cheating, even as a teenager.

Baseball is in general disrepute? TIL.

The rampant doping got so bad they had a highly publicized congressional hearing about it. I doubt it ever stopped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_baseball#Congression...

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#336
post #72

In case you haven't seen it, some new evidence surfaced yesterday: https://youtu.be/jfPzUgzrOcQ

Yeah this is interesting … she shows that Hans had many tournaments where he shows record setting move accuracy as measured by correlation to Stockfish 15, and that 6 of these tournaments occurred in a row. She also shows that for those tournaments even by Reagans model, Hans results would be like a 1/70000 chance if legit.

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#337
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair to Hans, his claim is he cheated in a prize money tournament when he was 12. If he cheated in prize money games besides that it would be different, but I think most people are willing to forgive a 12 year old.

If it's reasonable for a 12yo to be able to play in a for-money tourney, then I don't think it's unreasonable to think they should know the difference between right and wrong.

As a parent of a now 13 year old - it is not reasonable for a 12 year old to play a for money tournament. 12 year olds may "know right from wrong" in some sense, but they do not have adult brains. Expecting them to make decisions like an adult, or understand "right and wrong" the same way an adult does, is ludicrous.

This is equally true of a 19 year old.

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#338

I last played chess in high school. I'm following this for the drama. I guess "over the board" chess means an IRL chess game. Can someone explain how the fuck someone would be able to do this and not make it obvious? Why is this being continually glossed over? Am I dumb?

It is possible to have a device in your shoe that will not trip metal detectors that can feed moves from the outside. It doesn't even have to be that complex, for a super GM even just a simple signal that indicates "this position has a crushing move, spend extra time thinking on this move" is enough to significantly improve their performance Unless you catch the method of cheating directly, it's basically impossible…

Outside, like where?

Hans has performed well in tournaments where there was no live broadcast. What's the explanation?

Re: Dear Chess World

#339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Baseball is in general disrepute? TIL.

The rampant doping got so bad they had a highly publicized congressional hearing about it. I doubt it ever stopped. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_baseball#Congression...

True, but IMO doping is much less of an existential threat to the game than computer-assisted cheating is for chess.
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