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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by eric-hu »

Pulcinella wrote: post #5
earthboundkid wrote: post #3

Why is this interesting? Taiwan has to compete in the Olympics as Chinese Taipei or whatever. Yeah, any place that China can influence, it makes Taiwan call itself China.

Taiwan calls itself China. The official name is literally the Republic of China. Both China and Taiwan agree that there is just one China, but disagree about what formal unification would or should look like. Edit: The USA also agrees that there is one China, at least officially, though it’s not like the US doesn’t like to change its mind frequently. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Communiqué

This is brought up often on discussions about Taiwan and China. To be clear, the vast majority of politicians in Taiwan do not actually believe they wield power over mainland China. That Taiwan still calls itself “Republic of China” is because mainland China has made it clear that a name change would be seen as a Declaration of Independence and a trigger for war.

The situation is akin to someone held hostage at gunpoint telling you they’re fine.

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Post by yieldcrv »

axus wrote: post #96
amelius wrote: post #65

Why not put "US" on the shipments instead, as it's closer to the truth?

If Trump had exchanged Taiwan for Puerto Rico, we could, but missed opportunity.

yeahhh I'm going to need Puerto Rico's parallel tax structure for as long as possible so if we could not alter their territorial status and also keep Congress split on everything that would be greeaaaaat

just keep posting "red waaaave" on your instagram account and "blue waaaave" on your twitter account so that everyone stays in their respective echo chamber, I think at least till 2025 would be good for me, I'll probably have cleared all my US earnings from taxes and left (w/ a different excuse) by then

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by SoftTalker »

nomel wrote: post #329
sequoia wrote: post #325

Seems like they're just following local import/trade rules? I think the rule is bad but presumably plenty of local trade rules are stupid. One doesn't get to pick and choose which to follow. I guess the implication is that going along with China's stance on Taiwan is "going to far" ethically and Apple should refuse, but I can't quite see this.

> Taiwan is "going to far" ethically and Apple should refuse, but I can't quite see this. And we won't see it from any big name company, since nearly everything is manufactured, in part or whole, in China.

I bought some tools at Harbor Freight recently that were stamped "Made in Taiwan"

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Post by balls187 »

geph2021 wrote: post #307
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

Tell your friend to tread carefully with requests like this. My yearly "Business Conduct Training" (required by my employer) explicitly lists things like this as against company policy, a fireable offence, not to mention potentially illegal (circumventing embargoes, trade restrictions or sanctions).

In the US at least, running afoul of Export/Import controls and laws guarantees a stay at Club Fed.

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Post by smoldesu »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #249
smoldesu wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... we're in agreement that over-reliance on China is a bad thing, then?

At the same moment, the rest of the works is realizing the fact that us pretty much dictates what happens around the world. Want to build your own x86 Chios? Guess what? You can't because Intel/and won't let you and even if they did , if it were one of the "not our allies list" people, the govt will step in. Same for Netherlands fab machine makers. They dictate who can they sell to or not.. That is why nations are in…

I get what you're saying; the US is far from the shining example of what a democracy should look like.

On the other side of that coin, though, China is taking us for a ride. Politically speaking, it's unwise to continue giving them power over our supply chain. Ultimately it's a monster fight with no real winners, but ensuring that world superpowers stay competitive with one another is how we prevent mutually assured destruction. Even for China's allies, I fail to see how hamstringing the CCP is a bad thing.

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Post by trebbble »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #136
josephcsible wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they are making this choice because they don't way to pay the consequences of it. And that "cannot" is a short way to state that. I don't think that's a short way of saying the same thing though, for the kind of consequences you mean at least. Imagine if I were a vegan for ethical reasons. It'd be fine for me to say "I don't eat meat", but a lie to say "I can't eat meat", since I'd be perfectly capable of doing so,…

Being neuro-atypical, I understand the desire to be "technically correct, the best kind of correct". It would be so much better if we used each word for their exact meaning. But that's not how most human communication work. When people say "I cannot come tomorrow", they usually don't mean they can't. If you gave them one billion dollars to come, chances are they would. This is a fairly common convention, and most peo…

> But that's not how most human communication work.

It's not even how it can work. See the Malicious Genie problem for a memorable demonstration of the fundamental problem. Chasing "precision" beyond what's necessary tends to harm communication, not aid it. Norms and context are super-important.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by Pigalowda »

kepler1 wrote: post #326
Overtonwindow wrote: post #12

This is ridiculous. Taiwan is a free and independent country. Shame on Apple.

Hey, I'm so glad you recognize this principle! I'm of the belief that Hawaii belongs to the native Hawaiian people who the islands were stolen from by the US one hundred years ago, and whose descendants have been advocating that it be returned to them as a free and independent people and country. You're in favor of that, right?

Sure why not? I doubt an independent Hawaii would shut down friendly relations with the US and punt its military presence.

They can have a referendum and see if they would like to lose their US citizenship Medicare/Social security.

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

awinder wrote: post #322
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine is a Sovereign Country, recognised by UN, Taiwan is not and technically it's still China. In the case of Apple though, they should have put "made in China" on their iPhones, because that's where they were made (even in the case that the two Chinas situation is recognized by International institutions) edit: apparently stating the obvious deserves downvotes here, I still don't know if it's Russians offended by…

Apples phones have always said made in China, designed in Cupertino. This is an issue about parts coming into China from Taiwan that are: ‘Using the phrase "Made in Taiwan" on any import declaration forms, documents or cartons’

sorry, I'm not English native speaker, I intended exactly that: it should be there, because it's where they were physically manufactured.

Made in Taiwan is, at the moment, legally like "made in California", which is a fine Beach Boys album, but not a recognized country of origin label.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by amelius »

TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #224

People seem to be overinflating the hell out of this. > Apple has asked suppliers to ensure that shipments from Taiwan to China strictly comply with Chinese customs regulations Duh! it's to China! You're just going to piss off your contract manufacturers who have government officials overlooking their supply.

But they have to lie in order to comply. It's not just about following stupid rules.

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Post by balls187 »

Jugurtha wrote: post #41
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

Yes. Some do it in Marseille, France. Citizens of many countries would be in big trouble if they have a stamp from Israeli customs on their passports. Customs apparently issue a separate document not to put a stamp on the passport as a result. This enabled many tourists who are "not supposed" to go there to nonetheless go there.

Something similar happens in Turkish occupied Cyprus.

The Turkish airport in Turkish Cyprus is not recognized by Greek Cypiriot government, so if you do fly from Turkey to Cyprus, it is not considered a valid port of entry.

Thus you will get a stamp on a piece of paper, which you need to leave the country back to Turkey.

When traveling between the Turkish and Greek side of the island, the checkpoint guards will inspect your passport. As Greek Cyprus is part of the EU, EU laws require all EU Memberstates to allow free travel for any EU citizen. Likewise, due to agreements between the US, Cyprus and the EU, US citizens are too allowed free-travel. Citizens from other countries run the risk of being denied entry.

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