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Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Zircom » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 3:33 PM UTC

noobker wrote: post #199

Akronymus wrote: post #138

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> It's not too hard to pick up on multiple identities, you wear one mask with one group, another with a different group. Wouldnt say multiple identities though. But yeah, the mutual reinforcement is a BIG problem.

> you wear one mask with one group, another with a different group. Wouldnt say multiple identities though You're just establishing that for a given persona there is a spectrum from 'Mask' to 'Identity' and insisting that there is an arbitrary threshold. For a moment, embrace a worldview that there is no singular, core Identity -- in fact all personas are masks to some degree. An Identity may be a mask you're particu…

You have a salient point in regards to mask vs identtiy being an abitrary distinction and I agree it's definitely a spectrum to an extent, but thaat's nothing to do with the majority of the people on those subreddits and tiktok circles. They will literally fake seizures or passing out to indicate when they change between alters, or insist that they have literal fictional(often anime) characters as part of their "systems", and do these delusional showcase videos where they will rapidly shift between all of their "alters" on video, changing their facial expressions and posture to signify that they're a different one.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by DIARRHEA_xd » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 3:34 PM UTC

bitwize wrote: post #158

freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

Try reading up on plural systems before you make such judgements. And don't hang around /r/SystemsCringe; it's a hate sub. Otherkin is not a fad, and it's not confined to Tumblr; it's been around for decades, all over the net and real-life society. There's considerable overlap between otherkin and furry; otherkin is basically furry for fictional species. Anyway, furry/otherkin and plural people read and post here to…

Who says fads are confined to Tumblr?

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by ModernMech » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 3:35 PM UTC

qzx_pierri wrote: post #288

collegeburner wrote: post #263

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counterpoint: no. i been in some pretty stressful environments and never reacted like that. same for most guys i know. maybe it's different where you are but i never seen it even in private like that or with close friends.

Men commit suicide 3.8x more than women[1] due to cavalier attitudes such as yours about the mental struggles men face. I'm not saying you're a "part of the problem", I'm just saying you could really benefit from admitting to yourself that yes, men do cry. Yes, men do feel the same emotions as women. Yes, men do have to hold it in for fear of being labeled a "pussy" or be seen as "crying like a little bitch". 1: http…

This is a little misleading. Men attempt suicide with more reliably lethal methods like firearms, whereas women attempt suicide using more unreliably lethal methods like overdosing on medication [1]. In fact, according to your link, women attempt suicide at a rate of 1.8x that of men [2].

[1]: https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-m...

[2]: https://www.datocms-assets.com/12810/1649682186-14296_afsp_2...

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by badcppdev » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 3:35 PM UTC

a_shovel wrote: post #320

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The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

> You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. Setting aside, for now, the fact that these are things that people realize about themselves and not things people are diagnosed with by others... Why are you bringing them up in response to a comment about mental illness?

Because boys are allowed to play with dolls. And shouldn't think it indicates they are trans or have gender dysphoria. It's not a sign of anything.

Please don't misinterpret the comment.

*Edit: removed the word diagnosed as wasn't in the original comment.*

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by watwut » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 3:36 PM UTC

faeriechangling wrote: post #258

jrm4 wrote: post #7

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Tiktok and pop-culture generally make me very skeptical on "ADHD", the so-called "spectrum" and "neurodivergence" generally. I'm not saying these things don't exist, but much of it seems very difficult to falsify -- which needs to be the gold standard of determining these sort of things; e.g. "By what process can someone reasonably determine that they are NOT neurodivergent?"

I've spent a long time in disability communities, falsifiability gets very little respect, and "gatekeeping" is generally expressly or implicitly taboo. So with Autism, probably the most common disqualifier in practice is that the disorder requires childhood presentation and a lot of people don't know this. So somebody will come in, say "oh I wasn't autistic at all as a child, but I felt very autistic as a teenager,…

You are treating "not presenting symptoms as kids" and "not being diagnosed as a kid" interchangeably.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by kortex » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 3:38 PM UTC

Ensorceled wrote: post #81

jnovek wrote: post #43

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> Basically, are they "well-adjusted"? This is a radically behaviorist interpretation. A common criticism of the diagnostics for ADHD (and Autism, for that matter) is that it ignores the person’s internal experience. I was formally diagnosed with ADHD in 2017. I’d been visibly quite successful in that time, but at the expense of my own mental health because I was fighting a constant uphill battle. ADHD was a set of s…

Agreed. I was finally diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago. I had been self mediating with coffee and adrenaline for several decades. But I was, by all accounts, successful. Just not happy or healthy or as successful as I could have been.

> Just not happy or healthy or as successful as I could have been.

That is precisely what I mean. You were not naturally "well-adjusted", you just learned to adjust and adapt over time.

It wasn't the best choice of words but I can't edit.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by naravara » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 3:38 PM UTC

jnovek wrote: post #182

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Devil's advocate: I'm sure the people learning about their non-existent dissociative identity disorders also feel as though they're learning useful information and tricks. That being said, I'm in no way implying that the internet can't contain useful information.

Sure, that’s the other side of that coin I was talking about. :-) Personally, I suspect that people who incorrectly self-diagnose are desperate and grasping at straws. They misdiagnose themselves because proper diagnostics are really hard to get in for. However, I would be willing to bet that people who misdiagnose themselves with DID still have some other underlying mental health condition that they are misunderstan…

I think popular cultural conceptions of what a "diagnosis" is are kind of weird. It seems more like people categorizing themselves with immutable labels rather than accepting that it's just a way to refer to/characterize your subjective experience.

I remember talking with one guy who was genuinely sad when his psychiatrist told him she might need to revisit his autism diagnosis and she thinks there might actually be some other class of diagnoses that fit his condition better. You would think she told him he had cancer or something. It helped him a lot to know that there was a box he could fit into and not having a box was distressing for him. It had him feeling unmoored and unstable.

Now after reevaluating she did end up settling back on autism and his relief was palpable.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by kkielhofner » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 3:40 PM UTC

addicted wrote: post #274

BurningFrog wrote: post #233

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There are lots of money to be made from more diagnoses,

This and the parent’s statement is almost entirely wrong. Given 2 statements: 1) Americans don’t seek/receive enough mental healthcare 2) Americans seek/receive too much mental health care no one (other than the old school types who think mental health is simply something for weak people) would pick (2) as true.

Americans don’t receive enough HEALTH care. Period. When they do it’s a yearly 10 minute appointment with a primary care physician.

The physician breezes in, looks at some lab work, asks a few questions, writes a prescription or two (hey they have to “treat” something), and heads to the next patient because they do not have time.

80% of anti-depressants are prescribed by general practitioners, not psychiatrists:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5473964/#Sec1ti...

I know many, many people who were going through something in their life and mentioned being “a little down” to their primary care doctor. They were handed a prescription for an SSRI on the spot. So now they have depression.

General practitioners do not have the time or the training to be diagnosing and treating mental health disorders. This isn’t a case of “look at a rash for 2 seconds and prescribe a topical steroid”. Psychiatrists schedule hour long appointments and many of them will want to see you a few times before they attempt to diagnose or treat anything.

You can receive not enough health care and too much at the same time. It’s a matter of the right quality and appropriate type of health care.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by watwut » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 3:40 PM UTC

anotherman554 wrote: post #313

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #264

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You can agree or disagree, but the fact is that diagnoses almost always include a mandatory requirement that the condition has a significant negative impact on the patient's life. It's not merely a value judgment, and it's definitely not an arbitray judgement. The AMA or the CDC can't just decide that blod hair is now a medical disorder for no other reason than it would be helpful to your strawman. Clearly a lot of r…

"...a mandatory requirement that the condition has a significant negative impact on the patient's life." Lot's of things have negative impacts that aren't considered medical conditions, on the other hand Elan Musk says he has Aspergers. Nobody seems to doubt it. This shows that someone can climb to the top of the social world but still be told they have a disease supposedly associated with "significant negative impac…

> This shows that someone can climb to the top of the social world but still be told they have a disease supposedly associated with "significant negative impact" on social skills.

Narcissists, sociopaths regularly climb up while being impaired and causing damage everyone around. People with OCD or hypochondriac too. Bipolar people the same. That does not make those non existent either.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by xwdv » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 3:42 PM UTC

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Gender dysphoria is a real thing that's treated by transitioning. In people suffering from it it demonstratedly improves quality of life and reduces suicides. > that is what you truly are and all you’ll ever be Only if you choose to see it this way. The majority of western society accepts transgender people today and it's not an issue.

Is gender real? No, gender is a societal construct that describes the presentation of males and females.

Therefore, if gender isn’t real, gender dysphoria isn’t real.

If society had no concept of gender, it is highly likely that far less people would report feeling they should have the sex organs of their opposite sex instead of what they have now, especially if they had no previous exposure or experience with such organs. Personally, of all the things that appeal to me about being a woman, the vagina is probably very low on the list.

Just because people are affected by this, does not mean they are being affected by something real.