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For some nuance, though, partly this has to do with lack of SEC enforcement on crypto as a security. My opinion then would have been that this should be insider trading, crypto should be classified as a security, and also that I wasn’t sure the SEC would classify this as insider trading. Since the definition of insider trading is kind of, “whatever the SEC enforces”, it’s possible to believe that this is a security t…
Yeah I was about to say something similar. Our existing insider trading laws don't quite fit this situation, which is why they're being charged with "wire fraud conspiracy" instead of something more specific.
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There was an HN thread about that tweet, at the time that it was tweeted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012462 ( "Insider Trading at Coinbase (twitter.com/cobie)" ) (3 months ago, 333 comments)
During which conversation a fairly large number of HN commenters thought that crypto insider trading wasn't illegal: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012837
"Throughout the relevant period, Nikhil and Ramani repeatedly traded ahead of Coinbase listing announcements, trading in at least 25 tokens. At least seven of the listing announcements described above involved crypto asset securities"
1 - https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2022/comp-pr2022-1...
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#333This is nothing new for Coinbase employees: https://bitfinexed.medium.com/coinbase-insider-trading-litec... I recommend caution to crypto engineers - the world loves you when you make people rich, and the world might be willing to excuse shady behavior for a brief time. When things sour shady people will get what they deserve, and the metaphorical mob will come for their associates/companies.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
During which conversation a fairly large number of HN commenters thought that crypto insider trading wasn't illegal: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012837
If you read the actual SEC filing, you'll note that they're only filing for 7 of the alleged 25 coins that he traded. [1] Even the SEC agrees that this was not insider trading in all 25 instances. "Throughout the relevant period, Nikhil and Ramani repeatedly traded ahead of Coinbase listing announcements, trading in at least 25 tokens. At least seven of the listing announcements described above involved crypto asset…
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It literally does the opposite. It pushes the price in the direction it's going to go when the information is made public.
You're only thinking of the first-order effect. If insider trading is allowed then, yes, those who have access to inside information can trade on it more efficiently. But it also highly incentivizes market participants to hide information . In a world where insider trading is allowed, anyone who has access to inside information can now personally monetize it as long as that information does not get out to the wider m…
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It's amazing how they already had tabs on this guy and just waited for him to leave but without arresting him sooner if you think you broke the law and want to avoid arrest, stay away from the airport. anyone who buys a ticket they get your full info and then the arrest is as easy as picking you up at the gate, nowhere to hide.
I wonder if the request to show up at the Seattle office was some kind of working with law enforcement. Evidently he planned to flee to India instead of take the meeting. He seems to have known there was risk to him in that meeting.
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#337Wow, the indictment references [this tweet][1] that caused Coinbase to investigate the matter and ultimately led the defendant in being caught at the airport before trying to leave the country. > On May 11, 2022, Coinbase’s director of security operations emailed ISHAN WAHI to inform him that he should appear for an in-person meeting relating to Coinbase’s asset listing process at Coinbase’s Seattle, Washington offic…
It's amazing how they already had tabs on this guy and just waited for him to leave but without arresting him sooner if you think you broke the law and want to avoid arrest, stay away from the airport. anyone who buys a ticket they get your full info and then the arrest is as easy as picking you up at the gate, nowhere to hide.
For my assigned agent: this is not an admission of guilt, just curiosity and information collection. Carry on.
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The top decentralized exchange, Uniswap, has overtaken the top centralized exhanges in liquidity depth for several major trading pairs: https://uniswap.org/blog/uniswap-v3-dominance So there is a world where centralized exchanges have far less relevance than they do today.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Uniswap doesn't allow people to buy crypto currency with fiat. It only exchanges between various crypto currencies. There will always be a need for fiat-crypto exchanges like Coinbase, that are centralized by necessity.
And even that role might be obviated once enough people transact directly in the stablecoins.
(Not necessarily saying it's likely, just delineating the hypothetical word where DeFi has maximally taken over.)
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I would rate the chances of an Indian (or Pakistani, or Bangladeshi) national being able to evade capture domestically in their home country in south asia as quite high. In either country you can exist entirely in a cash-based economy with no digital records of your actual identity linked to any transactions or accounts if you put a bit of effort and thought into it. Unless the fugitive was high enough profile that i…
"cash-based economy with no digital records of your actual identity linked to any transactions or accounts" Not that easy in India anymore for last few years with thinks like Aadhar/PAN card and almost every bank requiring those. Even small time vendors prefer payment using phone apps these days in India.
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#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
The top decentralized exchange, Uniswap, has overtaken the top centralized exhanges in liquidity depth for several major trading pairs: https://uniswap.org/blog/uniswap-v3-dominance So there is a world where centralized exchanges have far less relevance than they do today.
Is it me or "decentralised" almost always means "crippled"? The critical function that exchanges have is to allow people to buy and sell tokens. Decentralised exchanges can't do that. They only allow trading a token for another token.