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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

I don't think its about data at all, I think it's that they're scared China has control of a system they can feed whatever narrative they want on an individual level and whole parts of society in the west are hopelessly addicted to it.

From the data listed, it's a lot but personally with the current state of mobile os computing none of this seems all that out of the ordinary, it's just what is the sad state of those platforms. This is why I think the data is being used as an excuse.

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Post by DocTomoe »

subroutine wrote: post #321
DocTomoe wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can - if they follow Chinese laws. Which Facebook is unwilling to do.

In that case I have no problem with the U.S. banning tiktok until China relaxes its laws.

Trying to legislate other countries? You are aware that sword cuts both ways, right?

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Post by blitz_skull »

blacklion wrote: post #277
moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Are you sure? Several months ago I've woke up to learn, that my country start to kill civilians of other country with bombs, missiles and shelling, to become "top player". And, what is even worse, many of my fellow citizens support it. Now I'm trying to leave this country for some other, which don't have ambitions to be top-player but don't kill civilians and…

This comment seems in bad faith. I think it’s pretty clear this conversation wasn’t about killing civilians so the comment about “whatever necessary” probably wasn’t intended to include violations of the Geneva convention. Just saying.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by fareesh »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

Purely in theory:

Eligible US Voters can elect a new US Government at various branches and change what US companies do with data through regulations/legislation.

Even that theoretical route is not possible when it comes to a foreign company. Therefore the FCC guy (who is theoretically beholden to US citizens, or wanting to be perceived that way, or wanting to do so for his buddies at Western tech companies) is making the recommendation.

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Post by akho »

kebman wrote: post #289
Grimburger wrote: post #137

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> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Good for you, but try imagine hearing this from a Chinese national. "Whatever it needs" to do...

Whatever it needs to do becomes different based on how your country is governed. China has unelected* leaders that at least in theory holds only Communist ideals. While flawed, in a republic at least you get to vote for your leaders, and thus choose what ideals you like the best. Of course republicanism or democracy does not preclude a country from committing horrible acts, but they are cleaned up much sooner, and th…

In the US, you are expected to uphold the line that brings you donors. That makes leftist parties non-viable. That’s not such a big difference from the Chinese situation as you’d think, except in direction.

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

blitz_skull wrote: post #333
blacklion wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Are you sure? Several months ago I've woke up to learn, that my country start to kill civilians of other country with bombs, missiles and shelling, to become "top player". And, what is even worse, many of my fellow citizens support it. Now I'm trying to leave this country for some other, which don't have ambitions to be top-player but don't kill civilians and…

This comment seems in bad faith. I think it’s pretty clear this conversation wasn’t about killing civilians so the comment about “whatever necessary” probably wasn’t intended to include violations of the Geneva convention. Just saying.

It’s not clear considering that the US has been engaging in various military conflicts of dubious legitimacy to keep its status for many years.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by layer8 »

lazyeye wrote: post #301
mattgperry wrote: post #268

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Personally I think it's better to "do by example" with other open western democracies. And then when dealing with China etc rather than letting them roughshod over your financial and data economies because of principles or whatever, enforce the same rules upon them as they put upon you. Then there's an actual incentive and mechanism by which trade can open up in a fair manner. Our (speaking broadly about the west) cu…

Ive never understood why the concept of reciprocity is so obvious yet never discussed. China blocks your apps, you block theirs. I guess you'd have to be an idiot like Trump to even suggest such a thing.

“The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.”

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Post by mihaic »

__alexs wrote: post #307
mihaic wrote: post #304

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I'm completely against this surveilance capitalism that's pursued by big tech, but asking the US gov to use the same rules "for everyone" seems naive and bad for the world economy. All countries have primarily a duty to their citizens, and only then to foreign entities. Even though there are plenty of points of improvement the US can make here, accepting that at least some discrimination against external citizens or…

> All countries have primarily a duty to their citizens, and only then to foreign entities. There is no innate duty of a state to anyone, it's a function of the policies of the people we elect. In many peoples view laws should apply equally regardless of where you are from.

If laws apply equally even to foreigners, then what's the purpose of the concept of citizenship?

All people I know will treat their childred differently than random children on the playground, I'd imagine some analogy to this situation is not entirely lost on anyone.

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Post by themitigating »

moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

"As for me, I'm an American and it is in my best interests that USA stays top dog. I didn't immigrate here to downgrade lol, so I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player."

The country or its people? This seems like a very selfish sentiment. Shouldn't we want everyone to prosper, no matter where they are from? There are countless who may not be able to afford to emigrate to the US

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Post by throw0101a »

blacklion wrote: post #277
moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Are you sure? Several months ago I've woke up to learn, that my country start to kill civilians of other country with bombs, missiles and shelling, to become "top player". And, what is even worse, many of my fellow citizens support it. Now I'm trying to leave this country for some other, which don't have ambitions to be top-player but don't kill civilians and…

>> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player

> Are you sure?

Would you rather have someone else / some other country (other than the US) be the hegemon? If so, who? And are they willing to do it?

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