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Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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Post by nisa »

mythrwy wrote: post #326
nisa wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately it's not bullshit. I wish it was - read the summary of the OSCE report: https://osce.usmission.gov/response-to-moscow-mechanism-repo... It's even worse.

Yep. The Russians are posting the same kind of thing for their populations to consume. I fully believe neither. Here is what I do know. As of last week less then 5,000 Ukrainian civilians have been killed so far in the campaign. Contrast that with the US did during Iraq, or even in Raqqa. Was that genocide? No, it was just we didn't care. Which is pretty disturbing especially now as we try to proclaim moral high grou…

> `As delivered by Ambassador Michael Carpenter`

This is summary post from some ambassador. Read the original report at the OSCE website: https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/3/e/522616.pdf

These are independent verified facts.

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Post by Spooky23 »

mythrwy wrote: post #198
excieve wrote: post #148

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As a Ukrainian, I sincerely thank you for writing this. It is often disheartening to see how many people of HN don't realise what is happening (and, frankly, has been happening for 8 years) and then read cold opinions devoid of empathy. What is the compromise when the other side's goal is extermination?

I don't see the goal being extermination at all. If that were the case the tactics used would be much different. Control, integration, subjugation, colonization, there are a lot of other words that are more fitting without the "genocide" hyperbole.

Genocide doesn’t require camps.

I’m not sure why these distinctions are relevant. In my mind, if an army is indiscriminately bombing and shelling my city, it sure feels like a genocidal act.

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Post by TheGigaChad »

nathias wrote: post #313
frostburg wrote: post #267

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Those goalposts are moving quickly. "It's impossible" -> "It's too costly" -> "The wrong people are supposedly footing the cost (without considering the gigantic externalities)" -> "I just want Russia to win"

I never said it is impossible, it's 1. immoral (sanctions are only against civilians) 2. idiotic (destroy your economy for a symbolic gesture) 3. paid by the poorest It is possible to dislike all empires you know.

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Post by albertopv »

Gravityloss wrote: post #23

Unfortunately Brunsbüttel terminal only finally got the go ahead in January 2022 and it will take 3.5 years to build. It's anyway a good alternative source. https://www.gem.wiki/Brunsb%C3%BCttel_LNG_Terminal Increasing insulation and installing and building more heat pumps are obvious ways to save on gas. Italy used some big EU subsidies to pay 100% of people's home and house renovations. Would something like that be…

It's false, Italy didn't use EU subsidies, it's all plain italian debt.

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Post by albertopv »

1234letshaveatw wrote: post #124
Gravityloss wrote: post #23

Unfortunately Brunsbüttel terminal only finally got the go ahead in January 2022 and it will take 3.5 years to build. It's anyway a good alternative source. https://www.gem.wiki/Brunsb%C3%BCttel_LNG_Terminal Increasing insulation and installing and building more heat pumps are obvious ways to save on gas. Italy used some big EU subsidies to pay 100% of people's home and house renovations. Would something like that be…

my god- the EU redistributed tax revenue from member countries to fund 100% of home improvements in Italy? I can't even imagine.

You don't have, it's false, it's all plain old italian debt.

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Post by skrause »

danans wrote: post #270
skrause wrote: post #204

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Heat pumps are not an alternative in the next few years because there are not enough available on the market. I know someone who wanted to buy one for his house in Germany and the waiting list is more than 1-2 years right now.

In the US, you can get one shipped to you in 1-2 days right now: https://iwae.com/shop/4-to-5-ton-18-seer-variable-speed-mrco... Germany is a manufacturing powerhouse. Why can't they build them?

You still need somebody to install it for you. That's where the waiting begins.

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Post by q1w2 »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #153
yrgulation wrote: post #54

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No, most europe and the us told germany it relies too much on a single source of energy. Schroeder, Merkel, both were in bed with russia’s oil and gas tsars. Nord Stream’s ceo is a former stasi officer, ursula is corrupt and many many alternative pipelines have been pushed back in favour of we know who. Please dont mix everyone else in. As you can see some german commenters even admit to germany wanting to push for e…

Correct. This was known in advance that Russia will inevitably use natural gas for political reasons, but Germans weren't listening to "russophobic" Eastern Europe, instead they were actively trying to undermine Nuclear Power together with nuclear hypocrites from Austria (anti-Nuclear fanatics, suing everyone in EU who happens to have NPP, but has no problem to buy energy from Czech Republic NPP Temelin)

It's important to remember that Russian influence operations across the globe have been generating anti-nuclear sentiment. It was part of their plan to hook Germany on Russian natural gas. They literally bribed German politicians to agree to shut down nuclear plants and double down on Russian gas imports, while also preaching the miracles of renewable energy that were never even designed to provide baseline power.

The same is true in the US, Japan, Canada, France, New Zealand, UK... all of these countries have been nerfing their nuclear plant programs due to pressure from "green party" lobbyists that are veiled Russian interests.

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Post by q1w2 »

tomputer wrote: post #125

Gas prices were already rising since 2020 but yes, the Ukraine/Russia conflict made it worse. Below a graph from the Dutch TTF Gas Futures from the past 2 years. The contract price is in Euros and Euro cents per MWh. https://www.theice.com/products/27996665/Dutch-TTF-Gas-Futur... Edit: those are just numbers on a screen but in real life that means the energy/gas bill increases between 5x - 10x if this continues.

Russian influence operations have been sabotaging western gas production via "green party" lobbyists.

They've done the same for nuclear.

They've planned this invasion and freezing Europe this winter is all part of their plan.

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Post by q1w2 »

sorenjan wrote: post #241

Frankly, I think it's embarrassing that such a large part of Europe is still so dependent on natural gas. It's being portrayed as a problem now due to economics, but global warming and making yourself dependent on authoritarian regimes has been an issue for much longer than that. The switch should have happened much sooner, but I guess the money was always more important and Russian gas was cheap enough to forget abo…

Because they are morons and shut down their nuclear plants and bet everything on Russian gas and renewables that aren't even designed to provide baseload.

They absolutely should have seen this coming.

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Post by lazide »

XorNot wrote: post #216
lazide wrote: post #143

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That he likes calling out an occasional hypocrite now and then, and is familiar with Russian power dynamics in the west?

He's not though. He was probably given some version of that statement as part of a briefing, but more importantly his businesses and campaign finance were incredibly entangled with Russian money and oligarchs at pretty much every level[1,2], not to mention his bizarre interactions with Putin. This was his version of simply yelling the same insult back at people he didn't like: and he really didn't like Merkel (or any…

None of that contradicts what I was saying?

You don’t have to not be a hypocrite to enjoy calling out others as hypocrites when it serves your purpose?

In fact, if anything, being a hypocrite makes it even easier since you don’t need to worry about if you’re being a hypocrite while doing it!

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