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Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by ordiel »

And by the end of Biden's term whose blame is it gonna be, "Trump of course"

Some people have just lost their ability to think clearly in the US, I (a mexican) lived there for a couple of years and the only thing I can say is that America (as it is now) sucks badly to the point that I prefer mexican corruption and (narcos) crime than america's sick society (were teenagers are murdering people at schools), stupid policies and, the indoctrination of their school system which even before today's stupidity of "gender as an abstract concept" was already really bad, now the whole place its just plain riduculous

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Post by pydry »

rajup wrote: post #183
logifail wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Appeasement would be a better choice? Pope Francis says Ukraine war was ‘perhaps somehow provoked’ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/pope-francis-u... "The pontiff warned [..] against what he said was a fairytale perception of the conflict as good versus evil" "We need to move away from the usual Little Red Riding Hood pattern, in that Little Red Riding Hood was good and the wolf was the bad one [..] so…

Well that’s a new one, is there an interpretation of red riding hood where the wolf is good?

This isnt little red riding hood. It's a crips (US/NATO) vs. bloods (Russia) turf war with Ukraine trying to join the crips for protection and beat off the bloods using nazi paramilitaries.

Geopolitics aint no fairy tale. It's gang warfare writ large.

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Post by cbHXBY1D »

belorn wrote: post #326
ayngg wrote: post #165

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This entire thing has been some kind of bizarre politics induced self flagellation. Regardless of whether or not you think it is right or wrong, it has been no secret for decades that this conflict would be an outcome of Ukraine alignment with the west, yet the west continued to pursue it even after 2014, even with the huge increased dependency on Russian and Ukrainian resources while limiting domestic investment in…

> At the end of the day, we are going to get a global recession and mass food insecurity and starvation in the global south for what? If you are asking what the west nations got in exchange of making the economy dependent on cheap oil and gas from Russia, the answer is pretty simple. They got money. Politicians got political credits at the time from being anti-nuclear, and infrastructure wise they gained short terms…

Don't forget the military industrial complex made a lot of money!

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

Off topic rant here but I'm getting tired of headlines with the word 'quietly' put in them to make things seem more sinister then they are. Can HN make a filter to automatically remove this unnecessary qualifier. They can even do so quietly, for ironic effect.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by ghostwriter »

ozzythecat wrote: post #200
logifail wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Appeasement would be a better choice? Pope Francis says Ukraine war was ‘perhaps somehow provoked’ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/pope-francis-u... "The pontiff warned [..] against what he said was a fairytale perception of the conflict as good versus evil" "We need to move away from the usual Little Red Riding Hood pattern, in that Little Red Riding Hood was good and the wolf was the bad one [..] so…

Is this a surprise? They’ve been vocally against NATO’s eastward expansion for a long time, and Ukraine was a known line in the sand. Of course, one could argue Ukraine has a right to self determination, but we effectively egged them on and on. And now here we are - Ukraine is getting destroyed in a war of attrition, more or less a proxy war.

> Of course, one could argue Ukraine has a right to self determination, but we effectively egged them on and on.

One could argue that, but that would be their eagerness to ignore and dismiss important details of Ukraine's founding legal documents that made their independence possible in the first place.

If one reads the Declaration on the State Sovereignty of Ukraine from 1990 [1], one will find it in Chapter IX: "The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention to become a permanently neutral state in the future, which does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three non-nuclear principles: not to accept, produce or acquire nuclear weapons".

Ukraine's constitutional sovereignty has always been and still is predicated on respecting these conditions, but a whole lot of politicians, foreign and domestic, want you to believe otherwise because it serves their political goals.

[1] https://zakon-rada-gov-ua.translate.goog/laws/show/55-12?_x_...

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Post by rasz »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #327
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #276

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Yes, but why? Why do these people have to suffer all the time? One reason I heard my Russian friends repeating is that "it's a bit country so we need a strong ruler to keep it together". But history shows this is not true. Also a federation of states like the USA would probably work better than the current setup where a short guy from Moscow is sending Buryat boys to die in a country they haven't seen before.

History does not show this is true. Russia has historically been invaded by such people as Genghis Khan(actually his grandson, Tamerlane, Napoleon, Charles )I forget which one) of Sweden, and Hitler. The USA on the other hand is protected by two oceans and has not had a foreign army on the continent since 1815.

>Russia has historically been invaded by such people as Genghis Khan(actually his grandson, Tamerlane, Napoleon, Charles )I forget which one) of Sweden, and Hitler.

here is a fun one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_occu... Russia really doesnt like the fact Poland not only occupied Moscow, but also got Kings son elected Tzar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_monarchs#Tsars...

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Post by TMWNN »

hintymad wrote: post #283
nostromo wrote: post #27

The US government has completely lost the ability to act strategically. Biden is currently in Saudi Arabia begging for more oil production, meanwhile he's blocking measures to increase North American oil production. So, instead of fixing our own problem with inflation, we're asking one of the worst regimes on Earth for help and enriching Russia with higher prices simultaneously. Even if you support greener energy, li…

I remember that on TV Trump was telling German chancellor that they should seek energy sources outside of Russia, and the media was mocking him for being populist or for being anti globalization (or for being paranoid as Russian would need buyers? I can't remember exactly). Is the orange man so bad that whatever he touches is a taboo? Is there any truth in what he does, and the executive branch can be less political…

>I remember that on TV Trump was telling German chancellor that they should seek energy sources outside of Russia, and the media was mocking him for being populist or for being anti globalization (or for being paranoid as Russian would need buyers? I can't remember exactly). Is the orange man so bad that whatever he touches is a taboo? Is there any truth in what he does, and the executive branch can be less political but focus more on execution?

Trump and Jens Stoltenberg of NATO argue on camera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwkdmwui3k>). Who turned out to be right? Who turned out to completely, totally, 100% wrong?

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Post by aaomidi »

hintymad wrote: post #295
alphabettsy wrote: post #204

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> he's blocking measures to increase North American oil production. How?

Not issuing drilling licenses? Besides, there is, or so I heard, so much political pressures that drilling has become a high-risk business that those companies either can't afford insurance or can't get one.

You do realize these licenses take years to materialize?

Oil companies use any crisis to get more rights in the future. Biden can use wartime production laws to force oil companies to produce more.

Oil companies right now just don’t want to produce more. It’s not that they can’t. They have no reason to do more work to make less money.

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Post by rasz »

somenameforme wrote: post #212
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #145

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Easily avoided! OK, now let's hear how it could be "easily avoided".

This [1] is a 1.5 minute video of NATO expansion since 1949. It was well understood that eastern expansion would, sooner or later, result in conflict with Russia (or the Soviet Union prior). We decided to not just poke the bear but to go cover our arse in honey and twerk in front of it with Aqua's Barbie Girl pumped up to 11. And of course it sounds nice to say sovereign nations ought be able to choose their own alli…

Except Putin himself calmly explained recently its all bullshit, the Nato expansion, Nazis, harasser Russian population, all lies. Putin is after "lost land and glory"

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-says-ukraine-war-seize...

"Putin said on Thursday that the Ukraine invasion is about expanding Russian territory.

Before, Putin insisted that Russia was freeing Ukraine from so-called Nazis and preventing genocide.

Putin said it was his destiny to "return and reinforce" Russia like Peter the Great did."

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by ghostwriter »

themitigating wrote: post #195
logifail wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Appeasement would be a better choice? Pope Francis says Ukraine war was ‘perhaps somehow provoked’ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/pope-francis-u... "The pontiff warned [..] against what he said was a fairytale perception of the conflict as good versus evil" "We need to move away from the usual Little Red Riding Hood pattern, in that Little Red Riding Hood was good and the wolf was the bad one [..] so…

What makes the pope, a man who has dedicated his life to the study of religion and God an expert in global politics, that a quote from him has more value than a comment from anyone here. He mentions in the article that an unnamed world leader told him Russia would get upset at NATO being so close to their border. Putin has publicly mentioned this multiple times before the war with Ukraine. Finally, Ukraine has the ri…

> Finally, Ukraine has the right to join any alliance it wants

No, it doesn't have this right to join ANY alliance, as it may violate one of the conditions (military bloc neutrality) under which their sovereignty was granted to them by the USSR, which Russia is a legitimate successor of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31746866

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