This looks almost exactly like the ProBook 440/640/645 G8. It looks like an old design with new hardware, rebranded for developers. Curious to see what the build looks like.
HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS
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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS
#332That website is so bad, it misses all the important stuff.
Any laptop from the last few years is easily fast enough for almost all developers. You don't need to tell developers that they can run multiple applications in parallel with 16GB of RAM. All this text about Popos could have been shortened to "100% linux compatible, no windows tax included".
What really matters for a dev laptop:
- keyboard: standard layout, great feel (like thinkpads 15 years ago; the keyboards have been gotten worse and worse since then)
- screen: resolution (personally I would like more than FHD), aspect ratio, viewing angles, reflectivity, color reproduction
- noise: is the machine completely silent in idle? Is it whisper quiet under heavy load? Does the fan remain off during short (- ports: How many USB? Ethernet? Thunderbolt for docking?
Also much more interesting than CPU/RAM:
- is the RAM user replacable?
- is the SSD user replacable? Can a second SSD be added?
- battery runtime?
Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS
#333Cursor arrow key layout fail. Devs use cursor keys more than anyone and they didn't prioritise a layout you can easily hit with muscle memory. I know because my current laptop has a layout like this machine and it sucks
Inverted-T is a good layout for the most part, but I think IBM/Lenovo have suckered me into their 3x2 arrow cluster. Having pgup and pgdown so close to a single hand really helps me fly through docs and PDFs.
Yeah, I love that pgup/pgdown placement, it's so nice when reading.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good luck with secure boot or disabling the ME on their closed firmware. It gets extra fun when internal modules or the battery get a firmware update that breaks or degrades Linux support again. I have ported Linux to previous gen macbooks employers insisted I use and it was a mess to maintain. Also consider your warranty void, so good luck with sanely priced repairs given only Apple can get parts or make repairs in…
Those goalposts sure moved fast!
Really? That reply was as specific to your taunt as it gets.. who's the one moving goalposts here?
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
Java sets upper memory limits, so that shouldn't be an issue.
I was replying to the whole 8GB is enough for typical development. Java is an extremely popular language to develop in and the IDEs alone eat up 2-4GB on their own. By default a Java app will set its max heap size to 25% of RAM (Java 11 and above). While it may not use all of that, it’s likely to. So, by default, running two Java apps on Java 11 on 8GB of RAM has the likely potential of eating 4GB RAM. Then there’s t…
Completely agree.
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#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
Java sets upper memory limits, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Unless your stack involves 5-10 JVM apps (with the smallest ones generally working at -Xmx512m but some expecting around 2-4 GiB), and your IDE is also a resource-hungry Java app, in which case the bare minimum is 32 GiB RAM + about 10 GiB of swap.
True, if you are trying to emulate an entire cluster of servers on your laptop you are in for a bad time.
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#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you don't like hundreds of browser tabs, don't open hundreds of browser tabs. I'll keep my own counsel on how I manage my tabs.
If you ruin the planet it's not your private business anymore.
Sounds like a bit of a stretch. By this line of reasoning, it's not "your private business" that you breathe, since you are consuming oxygen and emitting carbon dioxide with every breath.
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#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's centered under the spacebar in the image I see (which is elsewhere).
I don’t get why, but it’s not uncommon for people to prefer the aesthetic of the trackpad being centered on the chassis, while being offset relative to the midpoint between the two home rows of the keyboard. Palm rejection nowadays is pretty decent, but still, I’d much rather not have my right palm constantly in contact with the trackpad.
Your hands are offset relative to the screen. My posture follows, and it’s a drag.
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#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
The weird thing is that HP undermines their effort a bit by they doing the consumer bloatware thing where they 'load it up with stuff for you to do your job' according to their marketing material.
Are you referring to the laptop in this announcement? If so, I can't find anything suggesting that there's anything installed by default other than Pop_OS.
Yes. Click on the linked site and scroll down to the third row.
Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm using 18GB on Pop_OS right now and often use more. The main contributors are browser tabs and VS Code. If I closed out the projects I'm not actively working on right now and hunted down anything hogging RAM, I could get back under 16GB, but the nice thing about having 32GB is I almost never have to do that.
I'm pretty sure browsers automatically expand their in-memory cache to fill the available space, things would probably work with less.
I mean, you're probably right to an extent, but I did actually have to close stuff periodically on my old laptop with 16GB of RAM.