The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

Post by elromulous » Thu, May 19, 2022, 4:57 PM UTC

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The standby performance was what kept me from buying a previous gen frame.work despite loving the mission and wanting to support y'all. I was holding my time until either the efficiency cores came along (if that has any improvement in standby? I'm not even sure) or if you ended up making AMD where I believe S3 sleep states still exist. Very exciting to hear there's an improvement in this generation. Is that improveme…

This is a combination of hardware and firmware improvements by both Intel on 12th Gen Intel Core generally and us on the Framework Laptop specifically. This is with s0ix standby, and we see ~0.4%/hour typically in Fedora 36 on 5.17.6 with the settings in our setup guide: . https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Fedora+36+Installation+on+th...

Post by innocenat » Thu, May 19, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

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The Trackpoint seems redundant to me because I can manipulate the trackpad with my thumb without leaving the home row, and for me it's faster and more comfortable than a Trackpoint. Using your thumb to control the trackpad works better on Mac laptops because the Force Touch trackpad allows you to press anywhere to click. Most PC laptops have a "diving board" click mechanism which means it gets progressively harder to…

Is there a way to middle click with this method? I use that often for new tabs and ThinkPads have the physical button at the top and tap to click is just three fingers.

Post by acomjean » Thu, May 19, 2022, 5:02 PM UTC

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I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

Same. Everytime I get excited about Framework, Syste7m6, etc... and then get sad. I fully understand I'm a vanishing minority, But trackpoint is such a productivity booster for me, and makes such amazing use of space in a laptop format, that it's a must-have (and again, I fully understand that those who don't use Trackpoint will have no comprehension of what am I going on about; I'm a grouchy quirky old man :). Then…

Post by criddell » Thu, May 19, 2022, 5:05 PM UTC

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I was thinking recent CPUs in the Exynos line were supposed to be pretty good. I never realized Apple was that far ahead...

I think Apple's chips aren't that far off being twice as fast as Exynos chips in single-core performance. Whereas the latest AMD and Intel chips are more or less on a par. https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-apple_a14_bionic-v...

Post by sascha_sl » Thu, May 19, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

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The PSP is a lot slimmer than Intel ME. It also doesn't randomly yank traffic for specific ports from your Ethernet.

I havent looked at the presentation yet, but are you saying the PSP, like intels ME could be doing nefarious things since its proprietary and closed? Do you have a link to information on the network capturing thing? I mean is that really a thing? I have heard of these things before but I am not quite sure what the possibilities are. Do you have a link that can summarize what this actual means in terms of security con…