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Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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post #147

Honest question, why can Elon, and only Elon solve the bot problem? Software devs have been trying to solve this problem since the beginning of the internet and yet bots still fill every space on the web.

Twitter is not "trying to solve this problem", they are embracing it and benefiting from it. They are strongly incentivised to keep the bots because it gives them a massive boost in their number of active users and the valuation of their company.

I don't think this would ever change unless they go private with someone that has no intention of selling it. I have no idea how successful Elon would be at removing them, but at least he intend to try to do it.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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The ONLY way to solve the toxic nature of Twitter is to enforce a)a real name policy, and b)fully verified[1] identities for all users/bots (opt-in, where others by default filter out non-verified accounts in their feeds) Bots can continue to exist, but must be identifiable as such and connected to a verified real user. Not only will this clean up twitter dramatically, it will also push off those who wish to hide beh…

> REAL verification for all

... is how you crush political dissidents.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#333
post #68

I wish him and the team the very best. Social media is an incredibly hard problem that by no means has been solved. I raise a glass to a man who has successfully tackled hard problems and seeks to make the future better.

Serious question: what does "solving" social media even mean?

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#334

The ONLY way to solve the toxic nature of Twitter is to enforce a)a real name policy, and b)fully verified[1] identities for all users/bots (opt-in, where others by default filter out non-verified accounts in their feeds) Bots can continue to exist, but must be identifiable as such and connected to a verified real user. Not only will this clean up twitter dramatically, it will also push off those who wish to hide beh…

The weird thing about the blue checkmark was that it was originally supposed to be just a "we validated this user identity" indicator. But then someone decided that it's supposed to be a status symbol (or, more likely, Twitter couldn't figure out how to scale ID verification) and started handing out special Verified privileges... and taking them back when they found out they had handed them to a user that was too toxic for them.

I actually disagree with forcing real names everywhere; it didn't make Facebook any less awful and it shuts out anonymous speech. What Twitter needs is a defense against sock-puppeting. You should be able to totally register a pseudonym and speak out if you need to, but not 10,000 "real names" so you can go and manufacture consent. The problem with this is that it's actually really expensive to limit something that costs nothing[0], and furthermore Twitter does not want to do this. The value of their advertising is big-O[1] proportional to their active userbase, so they want to make new account registration as easy as possible to juice those numbers.

I don't think this is entirely tractable; all large online communities have problems with sock-puppeting and hate speech even when they are trying to fight it. The incentives for any ad-funded social network is to make the problem worse and worse.

[0] The cryptographic term for this conundrum is "Sybil attack", and it's the reason why all cryptocurrencies have to either burn energy (PoW) or internal liquidity (PoS) in order to both prevent rollbacks and remain robust against netsplits.

[1] Big-O notation is a system of categorizing growth curves where you only include the fastest-growing term. i.e. if something grows at n^2 + n, we say that's an O(n^2) process.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#336

The ONLY way to solve the toxic nature of Twitter is to enforce a)a real name policy, and b)fully verified[1] identities for all users/bots (opt-in, where others by default filter out non-verified accounts in their feeds) Bots can continue to exist, but must be identifiable as such and connected to a verified real user. Not only will this clean up twitter dramatically, it will also push off those who wish to hide beh…

Reddit tackled that by allowing communities to self moderate while providing a baseline of what's platform wide acceptable.

Although there are many crappy communities, no other social platform comes even close to Reddit's best, well moderated subs.

I believe social platforms keep failing exactly because they try to solve spam, etc.. globally and that's not possible. It's better to empower mods community builders.

I also believe there is a good opportunity for a social platform that allows mods and builders to be paid somehow.

Edit: Another though - that's also how Discord took off.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#337

The ONLY way to solve the toxic nature of Twitter is to enforce a)a real name policy, and b)fully verified[1] identities for all users/bots (opt-in, where others by default filter out non-verified accounts in their feeds) Bots can continue to exist, but must be identifiable as such and connected to a verified real user. Not only will this clean up twitter dramatically, it will also push off those who wish to hide beh…

I used to think having my real name attached to things would be a good way for me to be constructive online.

What I learned is that there are plenty of crazy people online. And I do not want them to have my real identity.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#338
post #41

He's already said that he'd follow all local laws so it would be interesting to see if he can find the elusive path of maintaining free speech, following the law and not having Twitter being a toxic cesspool used mainly to shout down those not our your "side". Personally my reservations are because I think running a social media site is a lot about understanding people and defining a healthy culture for your elusive…

> Musk has admitted he doesn't understand people, is a self-confessed troll & edgelord and and Tesla's culture seems less than ideal. So lacks any of the qualifications I see as being needed to run something like Twitter. That's why he's perfect for this task. Most decision-makers feel intense scrutiny and tip toe around things that cause backlash, especially things that threaten the status quo. When you're oblivious…

This sort of thinking is how wars and genocides get started. Being decisive and following through on execution is an important skill, but ignoring other stakeholders’ opinions has downsides that are best not ignored.
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