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Re: Ethereum Has Issues

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A number years ago I was unemployed for an extended period of time while working on open source projects, and I ran out of money, so I took out a loan to cover my expenses. I lived off this money for several months until I found a suitable job, and after some time I repaid this loan. This type of personal credit financing would cost a fortune in regular finance (try going to a bank and taking out a loan because you'r…

Wait, are you comparing a personal loan backed by an asset versus an unsecured personal loan from a bank? That seems pretty apples and oranges to me. I think the right comparison would be a broker letting you borrow money against stock, something they do all the time.

Cheaply, too - some brokers are offering in the mid 1% for USD. I don’t know what defi collateral requirements and rates are like at the moment, but I suspect much more onerous and higher.

Re: Ethereum Has Issues

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Reading this blog post kinda flies in the face of crypto being more transparent than fiat. The raw data may be transparent, but the misuse/abuse are incredibly cryptic. And can only be rectified the goodwill of open source code contributors.

I can't even understand half of what's being said here. I can't imagine the debanked using any of those things, as the evangelists keep promising.

Do you understand how a spark plug works or how a hardware interrupt works within the Linux kernel?

I don’t, but people who have specialized in those specific disciplines and spent their time thinking about how these things work have lead to usable cars and usable/better operating systems as a result. USB is a spec that I don’t care how it works, just that it does.

I think crypto concepts like BFT, MEV, consensus, etc are advanced concepts for specialists in the crypto space who are building these same sorts of layers of abstraction that people will generally be using in the future. I don’t need to know how a spark plug works to drive my car, and the average person doesn’t need to understand how a physical device triggers hardware interrupts in the Linux kernel to use a keyboard.

People also don’t need to understand DNS or BGP to use the internet, because some clever folks built RFCs and open protocols that were adopted and bundled together to create web browsers, routers, and the general internet. Things were also rough around the edges in the early days there too, but have now evolved to be a critical part of today’s world. Traditional mail is still a thing but the obvious winds are blowing more and more to use e-mail for things, not because it’s a fad or has a lot of hype, but because it’s demonstrably better.

People here like to throw shade on crypto but there are already useful things (like multisig smart contracts) that are not only unique to crypto and useful today, but imply that there are other new and useful building blocks that need to be realized and developed to unlock more interesting and complex use cases (you can’t have Netflix or e-commerce without DNS and BGP for example, even if the vast majority of users have no idea how it works).

People excited about the space (disclaimer: I am excited about the space) see the possibilities based on the building blocks that exist today, not to mention the very real spike in practical cryptographic research that’s being done (zero knowledge proofs as a field of study has been massively accelerated by the cryptocurrency space). People also struggled to see secure real time video calls or online banking as a result of the DNS protocol being developed or the RSA algorithm being created, but some did see the implications and got very excited about that future.

Re: Ethereum Has Issues

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I can't even understand half of what's being said here. I can't imagine the debanked using any of those things, as the evangelists keep promising.

Do you understand how a spark plug works or how a hardware interrupt works within the Linux kernel? I don’t, but people who have specialized in those specific disciplines and spent their time thinking about how these things work have lead to usable cars and usable/better operating systems as a result. USB is a spec that I don’t care how it works, just that it does. I think crypto concepts like BFT, MEV, consensus, et…

Like I said, crypto was sold on transparency and it isn't. Secondly when it comes to fiat currency (or cars or medical equipment or other complicated things) there's mountains of regulations and regulators explaining how the complicated pieces need to work to be safe and how to mandate compliance. In the crypto space we are 100% dependent on the goodwill of unaccountable and frequently anonymous coders.

Re: Ethereum Has Issues

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The "little guy" is always at a disadvantage in capitalism (or small business, or mom & pop shop) I suspect there's a disconnect between people talking about democratization of access, and people pointing out crypto doesn't actually make things fair. Crypto doesn't make things fair for the little guy. It does add additional transparency to financial markets though, as well as things like open, verifiable, non-custodi…

>It does add additional transparency to financial markets though No, not really. This comment is more crypto myth-building. There's nothing technical about blockchains that adds transparency. Any company that wants to publish all its financial statements publicly can technically already do so and could always do so. They don't for many reasons, the most important ones being that customers overwhelmingly want financia…

1. Saying that transparency isn’t desired does not refuse his point. Not only that but the off topic declaration where you imply privacy is impossible on blockchain is incorrect.

2. Miners and block verifiers are not middle men. They have negligible control where as a middle man has full control.

3. The verifiably of smart contracts is not exceptional for its own sake, but for the fact that it prevents cheating in a system where cheating is heavily incentivized.

4. Auditing smart contracts will generally be much easier than auditing EVM bytecode. Ethereum isn’t the only game in town and the most sophisticated layer 1 smart contract languages converge toward functional, locked down languages which lend themselves to automated and manual auditing. The same way open source increases user security even though 99% percent of users won’t build or read its code.

You are so off base on all of your point I seriously doubt you don’t have an emotional stake in your position. Perhaps the classic “I’m a smart tech person yet I missed out, so really it’s always been bad and I’ll be proven right someday,” syndrome. You know other people that missed out simply developed some grace, and others still that identified problems went to work on them rather than pretending they were unsolvable.

The dogmatic crypto skeptic is as bad as the crypto shill.

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Ha, Flash Boys 2.0 was from 2019. This blog post is literally "I read a thing from three years ago and have lost faith in something that I never believed in in the first place". As someone who knows and has worked with all the people involved with the write-ups referenced in this blog post, I can pretty confidently say that the author is way way behind here. There have been some insane advancements in recent years th…

> This blog post is literally "I read a thing from three years ago and have lost faith in something that I never believed in in the first place". No, this blog post is "Look, here, several papers from last month showing there are still massive problems (that were presaged accurately in papers from three years ago)." (and it's not literally that, of course. Why do people use "literally" to mean not literally?) > Still…

And you can’t regulate crypto? How did China do it? Would it somehow be harder when it’s so transparent? Of course not. Anyways you have only a surface level understanding of the post and crypto currencies if you think the way forward is not a technological advancement. People outside the space seem to discover these issues and think that those in it aren’t acutely aware and working on them, which they are.

Re: Ethereum Has Issues

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So Crypto Andys like to hand-wave about the risk of a 51% attack but consider this: > This is in addition to the long-standing concentration of Ethereum mining power, with normally three and sometimes only two mining pools controlling over 50% of the mining power. There is further hand-waving about how Proof-of-Stake (over Proof-of-Waste) will magically fix these problems. But it's actually this PoW computing power t…

Your comment is two points with no direct connection, and both are underdeveloped.

Bitcoin as a settlement layer is useful. The idea that it needs to do anything more than securely manage a trillion dollar market cap digitally with no hacks, and no avenues for a profitable hack in the medium term is just common ignorance of what’s valuable.

Re: Ethereum Has Issues

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This is not directly related to the content of the post but is about Ethereum. I have been putting this hypothesis out there on twitter for a while now, looking for someone to refute me, but no one has yet. This seems like a place where I might be able to find someone who understand Ethereum enough tell my grasp of the protocol is wrong (or right): Ethereum is going deflationary. Not disinflationary like Bitcoin, but…

This isn’t the exact paper I had skimmed before and thought of while reading this, but it makes the same point, taking yours and going further.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3629988

Really deflation is the tip of the iceberg. When lending is competitive to staking network security will suffer, and deflation makes it worse.

Re: Ethereum Has Issues

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What useful has Ethereum created apart from providing an ever-bloating platform for generation of infinite digital-only tokens? As of 2022 the oracle problem still hasn't been solved, so actual decentralized, objective real life object-to-blockchain interaction is impossible. Monero added fully anonymous crypto that is used by most of the dark web. USDT, USDC provided stablecoins that can circumvent what fiat can't.…

Not an Eth shill but you literally called out Eth’s biggest use case throughout its history and today: where do you think those stablecoins primarily settle? Dai as an algorithmic and decentralized stable coin is also a terribly under rated achievement.

Eth has serious problems, as do all proof of work/stake platforms attempting to move around large amounts of data, but it’s not entirely useless in its current state. You seem to have a god critical eye for crypto (as opposed to wholly for or against, or tied to a single project), I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on Saito providing you took the time to grok it.

Re: Ethereum Has Issues

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Chainlink does not solve the oracle problem. In the best case, they put a "price" on fabricating truth in the blockchain world. If the "source of truth" is distributed, what stops somebody from running a worldwide botnet which pretends to be "anonymous chainlink nodes/contributors" and feed false information to the blockchain? Even if there is a price for each node to participate in the consensus mechanism, then you…

Dude, defrauding Chainlink even once would probably cost you trillions of dollars - if not more. Have you read the super-linear staking section in the white paper?

You have the burden of proof, doubly so considering Chainlink has no working product which lives up to its promise. Not saying it’s impossible, but you shouting out a number and some terminology just makes it seem like you are emotionally invested in addition to financially.
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