I don't understand how making twitter private will be beneficial for free speech? Isn't it the point that the company ownership is distributed?
Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
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Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#332From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…
This is 100% true - but giving algos & bots the ability to spread disinformation on your network at low-cost and gaming networks to make it seem legit is what is dangerous.
From a Twitter / YouTube / Facebook standpoint - it's easier to just block bad content than fix the above problem.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#333From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…
100%... I lived and worked in many countries around the world and the amount of free speech we enjoy here is not common. This is why people like my parents escaped their motherland. It's surreal to me, as an immigrant, that we are trying self-limit free speech here. If you don't like what others say, then tune out, you have no right to silence other even if you abhor their ideas.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#334As somebody from the first world who has had the experience of moderating Internet forums… free speech in the sense of “the government generally shouldn’t control people’s speech, with limited exceptions” is good and necessary. Free speech in the sense of “everybody should be forced to platform every idea” is silly IMO. Left alone user content rapidly devolves into the most low-effort salient content - flame wars, po…
Twitter is not a forum though. I understand the need to moderate a forum, since it’s equivalent to a public place with a limited number of rooms.
Twitter, on the other hand doesn’t map to that model. If me and my friends want to tweet things to our group, no one is being forced to follow or read that content. I don’t see any justification to moderate that, beyond content that’s actually illegal like child porn, terrorism, etc.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#335As somebody from the first world who has had the experience of moderating Internet forums… free speech in the sense of “the government generally shouldn’t control people’s speech, with limited exceptions” is good and necessary. Free speech in the sense of “everybody should be forced to platform every idea” is silly IMO. Left alone user content rapidly devolves into the most low-effort salient content - flame wars, po…
Never heard of 8chan. Quick Google search indicates it is shutdown.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#336Twitter is trash and I'm happy when any chaotic nonsense is happening to it.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#337If I was an investor in Tesla or SpaceX I'd be extremely opposed to this. Calling the shots at three important companies is basically a disaster waiting to happen, especially if you spend a lot of time posting memes on Twitter.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#338As somebody from the first world who has had the experience of moderating Internet forums… free speech in the sense of “the government generally shouldn’t control people’s speech, with limited exceptions” is good and necessary. Free speech in the sense of “everybody should be forced to platform every idea” is silly IMO. Left alone user content rapidly devolves into the most low-effort salient content - flame wars, po…
People have to understand that by accepting the concept of "platforming," they're joining the anti-free speech camp. The whole idea of "platforming" is that there should be no obligation to allow opinions with which the "platform" disagrees. Disagreement occurs whenever the least tolerant, most militant group of employees says so.
Contrary to this, we should have a free speech culture where the norm is that people can say what they want. Moderation is necessary but it should always be an exception.
> Note that you’re choosing to spend your time on HN (a relatively strongly moderated forum) instead of a less moderated forum like 8chan’s /b/.
Moderation on HN is based on tone and quality, not content. This distinguishes it from almost everywhere else on the internet.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#339No. No. Do not want. Why is he going to ruin something good? I hope the shareholders reject this.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#340From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…
But its perfectly acceptable to delete the president's account (Trump) on platforms that are perceived to open (Twitter)!