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Re: I quit my job last March and it was a bad idea.

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post #141

I did quit my full-time job. So did I. Many times. About half the time it worked out great. The other half, it sucked, just like yours does now. You are not alone. I'm constantly broke, on the verge of poverty... Then get a job, any job. It doesn't have to be programming. It'll get you out of the house, get you with other people, and put a few bucks in your pocket. If you love programming enough, you'll find time to…

I will second (or apparently 338th) this.  I was in a similar position to you - and it took me 5-6 years to get back from being so broke I literally could not pay the admin fee for bankruptcy, to charging 1000 dollars a day.

It was not a smooth road, nor an easy one, but it is a road many of us have travelled and we can let you know about some of the worst potholes.

You are in the right profession, and you have the balls to take a leap like that while still in your teens.  The history of entreprenuers say the odds are actually in your favour, even if it does not feel like it. 

Just to let you know, at my lowest point, after months of failed "proper" job hunting, my wife told me to get out the house and get a job stacking shelves at the local supermarket.  A week later I was in the freezer section, stacking sausages.  It did not last long but it was the turn around I needed.   Don't worry about the "high status" jobs - take any job and work up.  

And Remember the wise words of Kipling - to take both Triumph and Disaster and treat those two imposters both the same.

Good luck, keep posting

Re: I quit my job last March and it was a bad idea.

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I started freelancing on my own when I was 19. I'm now in my early 30's.

Working on my own started out as a total mess. Been broke, more than broke. Lost friends, relationships. Stuck with it because I too made some decisions that I couldn't back out of and it was my only way out, so I had to make it work.

My life is now not a mess. It gets better every day. Now, I have friends working for me. I have 15+ years of business experience before I'm 35. I worked my ass off in my 20's to get 20 years of experience in 10. You could say I had my quarter life crisis early.

I'm going to braindump mind can't easily convince you into thinking it's impossible, or worse, you think that there's some kind of short coming in you.

It's hard to find anyone to relate to when you're young and in business. It's a luxury to feel understood sometimes.

Things to consider:

0) UNTIL YOU ARE HARDER, LIFE CAN BE GENERALLY HARD. HARDEN YOURSELF LIKE CODE.

Whether you work a job and get stuck in the politics trying to move up, or business, it's hard. Sorry. If you accept it, it just becomes easier because you can get over it and get to it. No one's going to do your shit for you in a job, or your business. No one's going to be more motivated in your business than you. You are the lynchpin, so it's about developing yourself to be the best you can be, and improving/ getting people to help you with your weaknesses.

1) YOU ARE NOT ALONE.

Your problems in business or freelancing aren't new, or special. Recognize that and accept it, it will make you so happy. You can learn your way out of them. Out read your problems.

They don't teach running a business in school. We're taught to work in other people's businesses, not have the careers or lives of our dreams often enough. My business self-education is from a lot of books and I've had to read more out of school than I did in school. So, if you don't know how to do it, go to a book store or library. I read 5 times as many books after school than when I was ever in it. I had tech talent, not business talent.

2) KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT AND WHERE YOU'RE HEADED.

Looking back the most important thing that dragged out 2-3 years of learning into 10 was not knowing what stage I was in. There are different things that you need to learn and go through at each stage.

I started as a freelancer, then became a contractor (people tell me what they need), then became a consultant (I tell customers what they need and do it) and now finally into web based products, because it's what I tried to do 10 years ago (the first time the internet became cool) and it failed.

Each of those stages require different skills and you get business in different ways. Freelancing is a bitch. You constantly have to get new and more work. Contracting can be nicer because you get to sometimes work on ongoing projects, say, building software that runs a company. Consulting is even nicer because you can have a say in how to help build the software that builds a company. If you get into the business of helping businesses solve their problems, you get a ton of experience in a lot of different industries solving the same problems, guess what you end up with... PRODUCT IDEAS BUSINESSES WILL PAY FOR.

3) SEEK AND SECURE MORE STABLE SOURCES OF INCOME.

Get through freelancing as quickly as you can into contracting and consulting.

4) DISCIPLINE IS SUCCESS AND FREEDOM.

When you look at anyone who's successful, be it academic, professional, physically, financially, its because they've worked at becoming disciplined to always be improving and always learning to do the best things before they're needed.

Building discipline, commitment is the single most important thing we can learn and always work on. Being able to find what we need to do, learn how, then do it is what fixes our problems.

5) YOUR BELIEF IN YOURSELF HAS TO BE GREATER THAN OTHERS BELIEF IN YOU.

Like every day you shower so your body doesn't stink, brush your teeth so your breath doesn't stink, you have to wash any crap off your mind and feelings every day. Motivation isn't one time, for life to me. Motivation is like taking a bath every day. If I don't do it, My thoughts and feelings smell worse than my body does and I'm the only one who can smell them the most.

I don't care if you meditate, pray, yoga, breathe deeply, do tai chi, work out, but whatever clears your thoughts and feelings insides as well as your outside is something you need to remember who you are every day and why you're doing it.

6) THERES NO ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR LEARNING BUT YOU.

You decide if you take the positive from everything, or the negative. It's hard to do when the bank balance is low, all the time. Been there, did it for several years. You learn to tune it out and get shit done anyways. That's what I learnt, no matter what situation I'm in, I have to do what's needed for it to be better in the next 30-60 days.

7) SELF DEVELOPMENT IS YOUR SALVATION.

Don't think for a second you're ever done learning. Whether you did or didn't go to school, with, or without a degree, if you as a person stop learning, you're dead and losing value every day. Too many people think their degree will make something of them, when in fact, it's more about what they make of their degree. When your education is self-directed you have to get better at finding the right things to learn and teaching yourself. There always has to be time in your life to learn.

In tech if you're not reasonably up to date with what's going on you're a dinosaur. Examine your self-development.

You have to find peace in knowing you won't ever know anything and believing in your ability to get to the bottom of things and do what's needed.

9) YOUR EXPERIENCE IS PROOF WHY VC'S DONT WORK WELL FOR YOUR FIRST GIG.

You need to learn how to make, keep money in a business. Next to your talent, there's no other more important skill. Knowing how to create value and having people pay you is something you learn one project, one customer at a time. It's doable. I live in a city of 1 million people.

10) LONG TERM CUSTOMERS ARE POSSIBLE FOR YOU.

I generally have had most of my customers now for 4 years. Some as high as 12.

Many of my clients are now online and I've never met them. But we talk on the phone and screen share has taught me how to get anything done, anytime, anywhere. Because I needed to learn how to make money when any opportunity came up until I could pick.

11) JOB SECURITY IS A JOKE.

There is less job security in jobs than freelancing imho. All freelancing does is expose how quickly any job could really end. Your job is to learn how to create security for yourself, the only real security there is.

People have their own insecurities and worries. As a parent, a big worry is seeing you become self-dependant so they can rest easy that their child is now an adult. Generationally each sees a different way to do it. Create that job security.

12) IGNORE THE ZEROES, FORGET THE NEGATIVES.

It's always good to know who your friends are. Some friends of mine in Uni didn't understand what I was doing and cut back dealing with me. They went out into the working world to learn what I already knew, that I'd hit this moment of "that's it?" in a unfulfilling job with poor prospect of moving into better work.

It took well into my late 20's before my friends started paying attention to me and saying hey, why's he been working (ha) on his own so long, maybe that's not bad after all. Now, I have friends working for me. I have 15+ years of business experience before I'm 35.

I hope at least this has given you some food for thought in actions you could take in addition to the support you've received here. Your heart is your compass, you have to learn to read and chase after it for your happiness using the skills of your mind. Always be learning, and stay hungry and foolish* enough to keep moving forward while you're at it.

Keep moving, create, create, create.

Re: I quit my job last March and it was a bad idea.

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post #266

Fuck your dad, seriously. Your parents are probably foreigners who do not understand the concept of pursuing your hobbies and making decisions that make you happy. You seem to be getting no support from anyone around you, and that sucks. I've been through it, and am going through it now. My father never supported any of my hobbies. In junior high I knew I wanted to get into CS and business. I would watch TechTV on a…

OOC, were your parents foreigners?

Re: I quit my job last March and it was a bad idea.

#334
I quit my $150K Info Tech job in the spring of 2009 due to extreme quality of life dissatisfaction. I was out of work a year. I spent that year learning Google's algo. Now I make 1/3 of what I once did, but I have a life again. I work 9-5 M-F to keep a lawyer on page 1 and my quality of life has gone up dramatically. I was working 7 days a week 20 hrs a day all over the world. I wouldn't go back to that for $500K a yr.

Re: I quit my job last March and it was a bad idea.

#336
What do you mean by you can't find a job? I know many good developers having a full / part-time day job bagging groceries, serving tables at restaurants, barista at the local coffee shop, and so on while still working on their freelancing / personal business after. This is by choice.

What type of job are you trying to get?

You are 20? To me, you sound like the world is about to end and you are giving up. Don't. Learn to be patient. Get you high school diploma, get any job you can, and if you still have the time and energy, work on a startup, your own business ideas, or do some freelancing for some extra income. Also, find time to relax, enjoy friends, a hobby, and enjoy life in general. Assuming you are good health otherwise, you have a lot more life left to live.

Re: I quit my job last March and it was a bad idea.

#337
post #146

Quitting your job sounds like it was a good move, if you hate what you are doing everyday it's tough to enjoy life. In the short term it may make things difficult financially. Get excited about something, what are you passionate about that can pay the bills in the future? A college degree is good, I would recommend getting some type of technical degree, computer science. Calculus is tough, a lot of people struggle th…

This is wonderfully packed piece of advice, I'm sure it will be useful to many.

Re: I quit my job last March and it was a bad idea.

#339
Huh? You're 20. You tried something it didn't work. So go to school, go back to your high paying job.

And how many 20 year olds have high paying jobs to begin with?

Thanks for sharing, but if I were looking to hire someone (or recommend someone for college admissions or a scholarship). I would view trying to your own thing at such a young age as a big plus. You're all good, just ride out this bad funk and you'll be back in the saddle in no time.

I look forward to whatever company you one day create.

Re: I quit my job last March and it was a bad idea.

#340
I can really empathize with the poster. I've been through a few similar hardships and at 24 I already feel like I'm 40 with the amount of responsibilities on my shoulders.

My own father passed away at 20 and left me with a 3 bedroom house and an ill mother and almost zero cash. I've had to fight bailiffs from taking this house, stopping the state sending me to jail for paying state taxes late (tip: pay on time, the stress is not worth it)

Also graduating into the recession wasn't great and even the current job I'm doing (working at a hot internet company directly with the founders) sees me earning well below my true market value.

However, its not all doom and gloom. The OP has alot of time to recover. Here are my own suggestions:

1) Exercise: 20 minutes a day do this for 2-3 weeks your mood will lift completely

2) Do some sort of work: it doesn't matter

3) Date, approach girls, meet new people: if you can do this actively, it will really take your mind of things

4) Avoid: anyone who brings you down, this may be difficult at first but find a way around this. Bring people closer who make you happy and push those away who bring you down. Your family is not exempt here and if the relationship is toxic you need to keep it away from you

5) Remember and reflect that you are only 20. Some of the most jammy gits on HN or founders who get an exit in early 20s are lucky, jammy gits. I've read enough into the story to realize they are not all brilliant and these things happen as a matter of coincidence and good fortune. However, think about what you could learn. How did they get into that position, what was their situation, try reach out to them. Last week at work I did a v.comprehensive competitor analysis of everyone in my space and my boss said I need to know what everyone else is doing here so we can learn. And he's been in the game for 10 year.

I hope this helps, the HN community have given some formidable advice on this thread!

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