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Re: Start Self Hosting

#331
My personal site is a static page on github pages, behind cloudflare. It almost never goes down. This page appears to be down, probably because of the HN traffic.

I don't buy counter arguments to “I don’t care, I have nothing to hide”. This is completely reasonable if you mean it as "It's extremely unlikely that github or cloudflare will ever choose to censor any content I care to share. Therefore I'm okay with taking that risk in exchange for the free, easy, scalable web hosting"

Re: Start Self Hosting

#332
post #98

Self-hosting is something that we should be constantly iterating on making easier; it's really the path forward for privacy centric folks. The main challenges are managing workload scheduling (SystemD is complicated for a layperson). Networking is another challenge; for instance, if you wanted all or part of these services to remain offline or on a Mesh VPN there's a lot of knowledge required. There's some projects t…

It's pretty easy to write a unit file for a service and install/use it. A layperson could easily follow a guide with just a few of the most common cases.

As a layperson, no I don't. You will be surprised how many of us couldn't easily follow and understands guides for self-hosting. It took me a while to set it up since the documentation expects me to know everything. Which that is fair because self hosting are technical and requires some knowledge to set it up properly. The challenge is that where I can learn this knowledge in condensed manner? There probably are something out there but they are not centralized enough to help laypeople to run it. Let alone trying to learn how to keep it secured.

Re: Start Self Hosting

#333
post #98

Self-hosting is something that we should be constantly iterating on making easier; it's really the path forward for privacy centric folks. The main challenges are managing workload scheduling (SystemD is complicated for a layperson). Networking is another challenge; for instance, if you wanted all or part of these services to remain offline or on a Mesh VPN there's a lot of knowledge required. There's some projects t…

> Self-hosting is something that we should be constantly iterating on making easier I'm pretty sure that's exactly what we did and ended up where we are today. Any sufficiently-advanced self-hosting is indistinguishable from AWS? I'm not sure how joking I am.

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Re: Start Self Hosting

#334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You need to take care of security Easiest solution is to just host stuff on a local network without access to the wider internet. E.g. running on an old laptop/raspberry pi/server in your basement. Sure, that means you can no longer access your self-hosted stuff when you're out of the house, but the tradeoff is peace of mind about your data leaking or worse.

> Sure, that means you can no longer access your self-hosted stuff when you're out of the house, but the tradeoff is peace of mind about your data leaking or worse. Lots of things I'd consider self-hosting are functionally useless if I can't access them from my phone while out and about. I could put my phone on a VPN, but that's just another layer of complexity to add to the self-hosting process.

Tailscale solves the “a vpn is annoying to setup” problem pretty nicely.

Re: Start Self Hosting

#336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A button click can instantiate something powerful (and useful (and easy-to-use...)), but it will degrade over time, and eventually flat-out stop working Software doesn't degrade over time (other than, you know things like cosmic ray bit flips, but in most realistic situations that should be fully mitigatable.) The needs of the software user (including hardware and software they want the piece of software to interac…

This comment was brought to you by someone who never produced/maintained software that had to withstand a 24/7 onslaught of automated exploit kits and port scanners over an extended period of time.

Or written any software other than a one-off script, if I had to guess.

Re: Start Self Hosting

#337

You know what would be kind of neat? Like, a web site you'd go to called makemeoneofthose.com, and you'd click some buttons, and then sometime later you'd have a hosting setup that you own with some software, web server(s) and database(s) on it, and then you can go hack on it yourself, add some features, whatever. Like they send you some AWS keys and say "It's all yours. Good luck and don't forget to pay your hosting…

I have thoughts but not a lot of time - so forgive the terseness. I love the idea of this, but I'd take it further and even have a category in upwork for getting services spun up and maintained. But that's really the problem - maintenance. Right? Once something goes wrong _for whatever reason_ the user is then (for the immediate needs) just as stuck as with a cloud provider who disabled their access. Thankfully there…

I can’t trust up workers to properly fill out a spreadsheet. I really don’t think I’ll be getting the cream of the crop for sysadmin work.

Re: Start Self Hosting

#338
post #264
post #98

Self-hosting is something that we should be constantly iterating on making easier; it's really the path forward for privacy centric folks. The main challenges are managing workload scheduling (SystemD is complicated for a layperson). Networking is another challenge; for instance, if you wanted all or part of these services to remain offline or on a Mesh VPN there's a lot of knowledge required. There's some projects t…

Having started my career in hosting, I would suggest that this world is unlikely to come back except for exceptionally small applications with minimal business impact. What does self-hosting provide which end-end encryption does not? Self-hosting means: - Needing to know how to configure your linux host across firewalls, upgrades, backups. - Negotiating contracts with network service providers. While verifying that y…

I think there might be a vast gap between what what the article is talking about, and what you're suggesting. Somebody self-hosting their project management app on a LAMP server on some random web hosting company is one thing. What you're talking about is something else entirely.

And yes, having a web hosting company manage your server isn't "real" self hosting, for all the reasons you described, but it's a far cry from dumping all your data with a big data-guzzling giant. Your data isn't calling home, isn't being used by a company, it's sitting on your server under your control, and only you manage it.

I think that's their main gripe.

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#340
I love self hosting but very concern about reliability, security and stability of these systems, e.g. outage, disk crash, out of memory… Looking forward to seeing more articles about these problems.
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