MasterCard suspends all services in Russia • Hacker News Board

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by duckmysick » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 10:19 AM UTC

tasuki wrote: post #326

ilyich wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that. Why can't they? In free and democratic USA 5% of the population is incarcerated.

That'd be one out of twenty? Doesn't sound plausible to me. Do you have any source?

Maybe they meant something else.

Data from the US Department of Justice for 2019: https://bjs.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh236/files/media/docu...

> By the end of 2019, the incarceration rate had dropped to the same rate as 1995 (810 per 100,000 adult U.S. residents).

Which is about 1 in 123.

> About 1 in 40 adult U.S. residents (2.5%) were under some form of correctional supervision at the end of 2019. This represented a drop from 1 in 32 (3.1%) a decade earlier.

The above includes people on probation or parole.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by disiplus » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 10:21 AM UTC

duckmysick wrote: post #329

notch656a wrote: post #227

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Russian citizens aren't getting bombed. They are getting economic sanctions. Considering these citizens are paying taxes that fund the war, I think they're fair game for economic payback.

This comment chain mentioned a Russian person living abroad. Supposedly they also pay taxes abroad, not in Russia, yet they are still affected.

they paid taxes on the money that is in the russian bank account still. the money that i have in my debit account comes from my salary. the taxes are paid before the net part hits my bank account.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by sccxy » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 10:23 AM UTC

whiddershins wrote: post #122

I don’t understand why we are taking actions that by and large will hurt little people the most.

140 million little people pay taxes to support Putin's invasion. It's the little people's money that supports war crimes.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by native_samples » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 10:38 AM UTC

laurent92 wrote: post #181

cm2187 wrote: post #129

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But imagine the disruption for ordinary citizens. Like you won't be able to renew your domain names, or pay for office 365/gsuite/aws/azure. Companies who didn't migrate to the cloud won't look so stupid. Stephen Kotkin warned in a recent interview that the russians have their own way they can wreck havoc in our economies, like cutting undersea cables. And I also wonder if at one point the loss of revenues from cutti…

Note that cutting the gas aligns with what the West citizen broadly want: Being forced faster than later to get rid of fossil energy. EU leaders certainly didn’t aim to secure the gas supply, they put all their might into sanctioning Russia “even if it costs the gas supply”. At this point I’m wondering whether Russia knows it and wants to impose any sanction except cutting the gas .

Western citizens to not broadly want that at all. They may say they do not that's conditional on a lot of unstated assumptions, like it not causing electricity to become unaffordable or entirely unavailable. Both of which would be likely consequences of an energy was with Russia. The moment that happens, people sitting in the cold will suddenly remember that Ukraine is a foreign country and they aren't actually at war.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by piskov » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 10:42 AM UTC

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #307

piskov wrote: post #118

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Also it remains to be seen what will happen with online payments to orgs How one should pay for VPN or VPS, for example

Almost all VPNs accept crypto. As do some VPS providers.

And how are you supposed to buy crypto in this case? :-)

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by native_samples » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 10:42 AM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #200

ghiculescu wrote: post #21

I’m not pro crypto or pro Russia, but the fact that it’s so easy to lose ones freedom to transact[0] (regardless of the specific merits here) is troubling. [0] https://mobile.twitter.com/punk6529/status/14944446246304030...

> it’s so easy to lose ones freedom to transact How is it easy? Does your country's dictator regularly invade neighbors without so much as pretext and targets civilians?

It's as easy as reading up a bit on an experimental drug and deciding you don't need it. Pretty darn easy.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by native_samples » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 10:48 AM UTC

koonsolo wrote: post #318

azth wrote: post #163

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What does this have to do with the post you replied to? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Ukrainians also fall into the "sad to see people that have nothing to do with this situation", even more so I would argue. The sad truth is that Russians cannot escape their shared responsibility.

What, by birth destiny or something?

That's like saying no American can escape their shared responsibility for Iraq, or Syria, or Trump. Doesn't matter how they voted, right. People vote in Russia too. Americans could have stormed the White House if they disagreed with the outcomes, or blockaded the city streets with trucks or something .... oh, wait.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by native_samples » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 10:56 AM UTC

Rapzid wrote: post #291

whiddershins wrote: post #122

I don’t understand why we are taking actions that by and large will hurt little people the most.

We are isolating Russia and creating a pressure cooker with the intention to blow the lid off(Putin). West is supplying the heat, and the water is comprised of the Oligarchs and Russian people.

You didn't consider the possibility that the lid is too heavy to blow off, and all you're doing is boiling innocent people with no outcome.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by ilyich » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 11:24 AM UTC

sccxy wrote: post #333

whiddershins wrote: post #122

I don’t understand why we are taking actions that by and large will hurt little people the most.

140 million little people pay taxes to support Putin's invasion. It's the little people's money that supports war crimes.

During all this war Europe and USA even for a single minute didn't stop buying Russian oil and natural gas to support Putin's invasion.

It's European and American money that supports war crimes.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by koonsolo » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 11:39 AM UTC

native_samples wrote: post #337

koonsolo wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukrainians also fall into the "sad to see people that have nothing to do with this situation", even more so I would argue. The sad truth is that Russians cannot escape their shared responsibility.

What, by birth destiny or something? That's like saying no American can escape their shared responsibility for Iraq, or Syria, or Trump. Doesn't matter how they voted, right. People vote in Russia too. Americans could have stormed the White House if they disagreed with the outcomes, or blockaded the city streets with trucks or something .... oh, wait.

Yes. Like I say, it's a shared responsibility.

The country represents all of you, and all of you represent the country.