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Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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The goal isn't to disadvantage Asians in particular. It's about balancing demographics by giving advantages to under-represented groups, which inherently means giving disadvantages to over-represented groups. Affirmative action is messy because it's getting in the middle of zero sum games (e.g. college admissions and hiring). But diversity is a significant problem in many parts of American society, and just about eve…

America needs to build more colleges. Based on current wtf pricing and demand, 2xing the number might do it.

This won't fix the problem. The older/well known colleges will still be prestigious and demand for them will not reduce.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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I attended TJ, back when it was about 30% Asian. I’ve always felt like the school should do more to get more underrepresented minorities. I’ve found the recent efforts very off-putting however. It’s based on a modern strain of social justice ideology that adopts some very ugly assumptions about Asians. I’m reminded of Alison Collins in San Francisco, who called Asians “house n—-ers” and said they use “white supremaci…

I really can’t wrap my head around an argument that amounts to “that person only succeeded on the test because they put in the time and effort to learn the material and their hard work is the primary thing that separated their performance from this other person; if that other person would have tried, they could have done just as well; that’s not a meritocracy!”

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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> So, an individual Asian student needs to score much higher to have a chance at Harvard, compared to students of other ethnicities. That's very blatantly racial discrimination. > This amounts to, "sorry, we have enough people of your color, so we're gonna make it harder for you to get in." That's wrong. Period. "The law of unintended consequences" ... what are they going to do if the target demographic (in this case…

If you're saying that we should allow individuals and companies to create their own identity policies free from government oversight, then we should allow individuals and companies to discriminate any way they want. Don't want to hire blacks, gays or Jews? Allowed. To be honest, there is a legitimate argument that this type of discrimination would be better handled through the free market. But I doubt the people who…

In fact the Constitution insists on allowing exactly this kind of discrimination in the assembly clause of the first amendment.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Take a look at the book Live not by lies to understand what is coming.

We used to value truth and individual responsibilities and we are moving in the direction of group/class thinking.

Judging people by the ’group’ or race they belong is going to end badly, I wonder if there is examples where this thinking lead to good outcomes.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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You have to understand, this is the last dying throes of a liberal fire that has been raging for hundreds of years. Liberalism has achieved great things in the west, including expanding the rights of women, minorities, and LGBT individuals. We are all better off for its achievements. However, the low hanging fruit is taken, and now the same activists that once fought for noble goals are reduced to taking ever more di…

You make it seem like the US no longer has an issue when there's an entire class of people who are not being educated, has high crime, and ending in mass incarceration. I can accept that some people have an issue with current liberal ideas because they think they don't work. If so, what is going to work? Or is the current state inevitable in order to have the high-functioning economy that the US has? Certainly more H…

Plenty of people-groups have endured horrible abuses and have not turned into a criminal underclass. Therefore, other groups are not responsible for any particular group’s criminality.

As to what might work I would consider medicine or genetic augmentation maybe?

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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I attended TJ, back when it was about 30% Asian. I’ve always felt like the school should do more to get more underrepresented minorities. I’ve found the recent efforts very off-putting however. It’s based on a modern strain of social justice ideology that adopts some very ugly assumptions about Asians. I’m reminded of Alison Collins in San Francisco, who called Asians “house n—-ers” and said they use “white supremaci…

> And they act like the cost makes it unattainable for anyone else. But it’s a few thousand dollars if that (as low as under $1,000) which is reachable to all but destitute families

This strikes me as extremely out of touch. I would think this cost is unattainable for a large chunk of American families.

If it were true, and the cost was so clearly worth it, then why isn't every kid in America doing test prep?

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Don’t you want to look at my dice if I don’t get a 6 after 50 rolls? 12? I think it’s reasonable at a certain point

Sure, though your dice might not be weighted the way you thought. Rather, you might want to look at the pipeline. Asian culture is particularly education focused, so is it surprising that Asians are overrepresented in areas heavily associated with education?

I think part of the argument is that focus is also too narrow and not a good indication of the best students.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Please don't say "latinx". It's offensive to Spanish speakers. Not to mention unpronounceable. It is not a word designed by Spanish speakers and it shows. We have our own terms, use those if you want to be inclusive.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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I attended TJ, back when it was about 30% Asian. I’ve always felt like the school should do more to get more underrepresented minorities. I’ve found the recent efforts very off-putting however. It’s based on a modern strain of social justice ideology that adopts some very ugly assumptions about Asians. I’m reminded of Alison Collins in San Francisco, who called Asians “house n—-ers” and said they use “white supremaci…

> If that’s a game changer what does that say about American K-8 math education?

American k-8 math education is a hot mess and the statistics have borne that out for years. Less than half of 8th graders rank "proficient" in math (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-student...).

> But it’s a few thousand dollars if that (as low as under $1,000) which is reachable to all but destitute families.

And you've hit the nail on the head.

https://www.healthmattersalexandria.org/demographicdata - the median household income for African American families in Alexandria is $55k / year. A thousand a month is 20% of income, only 10% less than is recommended for spending on rent. Private tutoring for African American families is like renting two apartments. For the median Asian-American family in Alexandria, that private tutoring is only about 10% of income. And, as a side note, the fact that the median breaks so differently between two racial demographics points to the interplay between race and class in the United States that has historically made issues like this so challenging to address. Programs designed to minimize class disparity can look like racial programs.

America's historical racial disparity is a hard problem to solve. People know what the outcomes are that they want, but "the pipeline is leaky and full of acid," as the saying goes. I'm not sure the solution is to bootstrap students who would otherwise miss the mark into magnet school by changing the selection criteria to cause the magnet school to more accurately reflect the local demographics around the school... But I understand the impulse to try, because honestly, I don't think anyone knows what will work.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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> But it’s a few thousand dollars if that (as low as under $1,000) which is reachable to all but destitute families. It seems that more than half the families in the US are "destitute" then ( https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/most-americans-cant-afford... ) and it's been bad for years ( https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-americans-struggle-cover-400-em... )

That addresses sudden expenses that people can cover without resorting to credit, not planned expenses. Two very different things—a lot of folks who couldn’t make a $1,000 unexpected payment for cash flow reasons wouldn’t blink about $1,000 extra in a 5-year car loan where they can plan around the extra expense. Americans are chronically cash poor because their expenses rise to meet their income. Poor immigrant famil…

Exactly, it's all about life choices.

Many Chinese immigrants never go to bars / night clubs, and almost never eat outside, and almost never travels. They save all the money for their kids' education.

Some other ethnic groups, even low-income families frequently spend money on those things. Yes. It's your right to spend the money the way you like. But you don't get to cry for no money for education when you spend money on other unnecessary things.

Essentially, it's culture.

In modern multiculturalism, cultural differences are important for the narrative, but totally unimportant for life outcomes. Why is that?

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