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You company basically did everything wrong. Remote teams that are selected well can be a pleasure to work with for everybody involved.

The point was not to say that hiring remotely is a fraught endeavor, it was a cautionary tale to any execs out there who might get it in their head that this is generally a good idea. It can go very very wrong.

Well, a remote hire is generally super easy to fire. A local employee can go to court and really mess things up!

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Poaching is used across the industry for workforce quite commonly

Yes, there are a lot of people who disagree with me about that metaphor because they do think of employees as livestock. I wasn't saying it's an uncommon opinion. I was saying it's a deplorable one.

It is an ugly metaphor but since it’s commonly used it was sortof accepted

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Argentina had left-wing politics in the 19 teens, well before it got really rich. Perón... is hard to pin down. Gabriel Garcia Márquez has quite correctly pointed out that peronism spans the spectrum from far-left to far-right. People tend to project on Perón what they wish to see. Fortunately Perón is far in the past now.

The opinion you are quoting is just the typical "not real socialism" stuff from people who don't want to admit that their ideology destroys everything it touches. They are doing it right now with Venezuela. 15 years ago they called Venezuela the future of left wing activism in South America, today they claim it was really right wing all along.

Gabriel Garcia Márquez is pro-capitalist. I said nothing about real socialism.

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The opinion you are quoting is just the typical "not real socialism" stuff from people who don't want to admit that their ideology destroys everything it touches. They are doing it right now with Venezuela. 15 years ago they called Venezuela the future of left wing activism in South America, today they claim it was really right wing all along.

Perón was close personal friends with Mussolini and Hitler, modeling his policies explicitly and in some detail on Mussolini's, and when he had to flee Argentina, he went to Franco's Spain. Mussolini and Hitler rose to power largely on their opposition to socialism, though they did of course attempt to co-opt its more popular policies (and in the case of Hitler even its name), and Franco's opponents in the Spanish Ci…

Argentina was quite rich, relative to the rest of the world, in 1950.

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Yes, that's the "in practice not all companies act as rational capitalists" part.

I mean, Occam's Razor says the simplest answer is that if no companies have shown competitive advantage from DEI despite massive investment in DEI initiatives that DEI doesn't work. If you've ever interacted with a recruiting pipeline at a big company you know the recruiters spend way more effort trying to recruit the few "diverse" people than everyone else. There's not much talent you're missing out on. If 80% of CS…

That's a good point. A think where it fail is that some candidates are not applying to classical channels (such as latin american) so recruters are not seing them.

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I tend to agree with you having worked with IBM's global consulting services and their workforce in both India and Brazil many moons ago. While in theory, it may sound like you could have around the clock hands-on-keyboard time by having folks in India, it's more advantageous to have people work in similar time zone if it is joint development work. I do have to say, when there are important soccer matches though, dev…

I went to Brazil with some friends for the World Cup in 2014. For the bigger, more important matches the entire country left work early and everything (except for bars, etc.) closed down for the day. Quite literally.

Absolutely. World cup matches might as well be impromptu national holidays at this point. Carnaval also has huge impact on productivity.

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They're just going to have to bite the bullet and pay more. It really is that simple. If they can't find developers, they aren't paying enough and are trying to cheap out on talent acquisition.

Fact is, there are occupations that pay a nice salary in Brazil, even after conversion to US$, even with the current exchange. Brazil is not poor; lots of flashy cars on the streets, upscale bars and restaurants are shock full day after day. But there is this deeply rooted notion that software engineers are not supposed to make as much a judge, a doctor or a higher-rank bureaucrat of the public sector. The current be…

Government bureaucrats aren't really providing any vital service to be honest. I understand the doctor thing though. Why would anyone want to bust their ass in medical school in order to live in hospitals if they can make more money writing software instead? Health care workers are losing value fast in Brazil and quality is going to drop.

There's this notion that doctors are well paid but they're not. It's just that every other profession is incredibly undervalued and should be paid more.

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Fact is, there are occupations that pay a nice salary in Brazil, even after conversion to US$, even with the current exchange. Brazil is not poor; lots of flashy cars on the streets, upscale bars and restaurants are shock full day after day. But there is this deeply rooted notion that software engineers are not supposed to make as much a judge, a doctor or a higher-rank bureaucrat of the public sector. The current be…

Government bureaucrats aren't really providing any vital service to be honest. I understand the doctor thing though. Why would anyone want to bust their ass in medical school in order to live in hospitals if they can make more money writing software instead? Health care workers are losing value fast in Brazil and quality is going to drop. There's this notion that doctors are well paid but they're not. It's just that…

It was just an example, a juxtaposition of "respectable" professsions/occupations vs the humble software engineer that now wants to be respected too.

The doctors I know still make many times more than a software engineer with a remote job. And they deserve it.

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The point was not to say that hiring remotely is a fraught endeavor, it was a cautionary tale to any execs out there who might get it in their head that this is generally a good idea. It can go very very wrong.

Well, a remote hire is generally super easy to fire. A local employee can go to court and really mess things up!

Maybe in Europe, but in the USA where the laws are "right to work", it's just as easy to fire an employee whether they are remote or on site.

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Well, a remote hire is generally super easy to fire. A local employee can go to court and really mess things up!

Maybe in Europe, but in the USA where the laws are "right to work", it's just as easy to fire an employee whether they are remote or on site.

I know firing is easy in the US. But almost nobody from abroad will open a lawsuit against a company. While a local could be incentivised to do so or at least complain to various institutions or try small claims court.

For eg. I've had a US customer not pay a pretty big invoice and it was too costly in terms of time and money to pursue. I had no recourse. So I just ate the loss.

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