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Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by rapjr9 »

mikewarot wrote: post #295

Illness - Long Covid

This. Here's a dashboard with an estimate of the number of people with long covid in the USA:

https://pascdashboard.aapmr.org/

Those people will not be answering your survey, and they may never rejoin the workforce. The dashboard is pretty simple, it just assumes 30% of all known cases will get long covid, but there are some studies that back up that 30% number. It lets you change the percentage to see what effect that has as well. The worker shortage may be permanent. You might be able to entice people out of retirement if they retired early and are still healthy, but you won't be able to entice those who are ill and went on to disability or disability plus retirement to come back.

It seems crazy no one seems to have a handle on what is actually going on with long covid, it could have a very large effect on the economy, both from lost workers and people now needing to be supported in their lives instead of producing. All the big news sources run an occasional article on long covid, but none of them are doing surveys or looking at other data sources to get solid data. This could be big enough to reduce GDP significantly. But we just don't know and no one except a few tiny groups seems to be trying to find out. The Great Resignation may actually be partially the Great Sickout.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by simplestats »

reedjosh wrote: post #273
simplestats wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Inflation is insipid. You _must_ take risk with your funds just to not lose the value of it. This certainly seems to be the case, but it's fustrating. I can think of no fundamental reason why it should be so. Other than speculators and govt policies backfiring to destroy the safety of alternative places to keep your money besides cash.

Couldn't agree more! Then add to that the fact that you're taxed on `gains` for investment. So buy an ounce of gold. 1 year later sell it for 6% more than you paid. Cool, beat inflation right? Well, no because now you pay capital gains on something that isn't really worth more than when you bought it. Inflation _is_ a tax... > govt policies backfiring Yeah sure, they're `backfiring`...

I was being a little generous, yes. I wonder if that's what is triggering people.

The stated goal of govt seems to be low (but positive) levels of inflation and high growth. The current situation with high inflation and low interest rates makes even tax-free govt bonds undesirable. And they will need to raise rates. So I'd say policies are backfiring, yes.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by yboris »

Before the pandemic started I would have quit my job if they didn't let me/us work 100% remote. But they changed the policy, and I'm now happily living in Michigan (rather than New Jersey). Went from 1hr+ commute each way to 1min "commute" with loads of benefits.

I'll never work in an office again - 100% remote or bust.

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Post by dobs_bob »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #282
daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

I was playing a board game with my 7-year-old niece recently. She negotiates the same way most companies do. She holds the line firmly until her bluff is called, and then backtracks quickly once it's too late. The biggest différance is my 7-year-old will learn, while companies will continue to make the same mistakes.

It's like they all take the same crappy HR seminar from 20 years ago and haven't updated their skills since. Times have changed.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by arduinomancer »

IMO the reason compensation is so high is not that everyone is really greedy or money-focused

There's a lot of pressure to make more now days because of big student loans, skyrocketing housing prices, inflation

It feels like you need to switch jobs just to keep up now days

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by strgcmc »

steveBK123 wrote: post #266
protonimitate wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing happened to me at my last company. I was over worked, wore too many hats, and was paid significantly less than my team mates who were more junior than I was (and had less responsibility). I had a handful of conversations that never amounted to anything. As soon as I put in my notice with a new offer in hand suddenly I was able to "set my price". I left for other reasons as well, but it really shone a light…

Too many roles / too many hats is far too common and why I find it hard to stay anywhere more than 4-5 years. As a senior IC in a super-flat & growing org.. I'm almost like a customer successs engineer, product manager, scrum master, senior developer and tech lead all rolled into one. Management administrivia I accumulate administrative things my manager doesn't want to do & pushes down I do unofficially own a part o…

TBH, reading this as a manager, I have to admit I feel like asking my engineers to take on SOME of these beyond-just-the-code duties... is a good thing? Obviously there are a bunch of caveats, and nuances to whether you want an IC engineer to be 100% coding and 0% talking to customers or doing admin (this seems bad), or is it 90% vs 10% (maybe okay), or 80/20 (sweet spot?), 50/50 (concerning), 20/80 (bad again), etc.

That being said, if you are doing all of these things, and not being fairly compensated for it, then that's definitely a problem. A $50k/year web dev position at some random agency, doesn't deserve this level of work from you, esp. if you could instead take all these responsibilities, and do them at a serious technology company or start-up, for 2x-5x the comp.

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Post by roguecoder »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #186
protonimitate wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing happened to me at my last company. I was over worked, wore too many hats, and was paid significantly less than my team mates who were more junior than I was (and had less responsibility). I had a handful of conversations that never amounted to anything. As soon as I put in my notice with a new offer in hand suddenly I was able to "set my price". I left for other reasons as well, but it really shone a light…

It's really hard to justify with management. Instead saying "X left, we need extra budget to replace it" will often work. It's idiotic and expensive for the company but what can you do.

I swear at some of these companies it is going to take engineering managers going on strike before corporate actually respects that we know how to run effective teams for the good of the business.
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