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Unions aren't just for compensation - it's about having a say in your work.
This is the bigger part that bugs me, I don't my job description enforced by committee.
This whole debacle is sort of humorous. I fully support the rights of workers to unionize. The problem is in "Non Right to Work States" the unionized can clobber people that choose not to unionize and coerce them into participation. This is incredibly unethical, immoral, and unconstitutional and violates a person's right to self-determination and other human rights.
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How much do you think Lebron James would be paid in a free market without collective bargaining?
Probably the same, maybe less. Professional sports players get paid on merit. What they do on the court directly translates into what a team is will to pay them.
[1] there are some other contract terms that allow for up to 35%, but those require a bunch of other non performance conditions to be met. [2] http://www.espn.com/nba/salaries
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> But could you imagine if we spoke about corporations in this manner? "I've worked for corporations and they are a mixed bag. In practice, they often abuse their employees. I've personally witnessed bosses who contributed nothing for years and just played politics." We definitely talk about corporations in this way. All the time, in fact!
Moreover, the market often takes care of corporations that contribute nothing. Especially of the private ones. For the public ones, there's no "union" that protects their stock price on the stock market.
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This depends heavily on the industry. If you're a stellar technician specialised in fixing stuff in the only employer in the only industry in town, sure, the company knows you need that job even more than they need you and so you're poorly paid just like all the other technicians. If you're a stellar software developer and your bosses know it, not so much. You can, individually, take your 10x-more-productive skillset…
This is true whether not not the company you work at is unionized. Ultimately what you appear to be saying that the union is valuable since you'll get paid more until you leave.
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> What do pronouns have to do with anything? Unfortunately way too much, some of the people who advocate for them the loudest are very political people of a particular polarization that makes a big deal about pronouns. Take this Google union I found from another comment here: https://alphabetworkersunion.org/ . Take a look at what they have at the top of their homepage. The forth word is "BIPOC," towards the middle i…
The fact that in the US, treating minorities (BIPOC or otherwise) fairly is polarizing is sad.
It is, however "fairly" is a pretty loaded word that leaves too much unspecified. It's important to emphasize that "BIPOC" is a shibboleth, and you can be for "treating minorities fairly" without being aligned with the ideological faction the use of "BIPOC" indicates.
And just to be clear, a union effort will almost certain fail if it goes down political rabbit holes that are not strictly necessary for its function, even if those rabbit holes are righteous issues.
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> It’s marketing turned inwards. I believe the word for this is propaganda: prŏp″ə-găn′də noun 1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
TBF marketing turned outwards is technically propaganda as well.
I think the big distinction here is that external marketing is trying to change public opinion in pursuit of profit to the detriment of competitors (presumably).
Internal marketing as discussed in the OP is trying to change employee opinion in pursuit of profit to the detriment of the employee.
Unions are helpful when you have a homogeneous workforce all doing similar work with similar outputs. We have studies showing how different software engineering is, where some workers vastly outperform others, some workers are interchangeable, some are specialists, and some underperform. This is exactly the wrong type of work that benefits from collective bargaining and gatekeeping. Unions help subpar workers. They d…
> This is non-sense. There's no rule that says collectively bargained contracts can't include rewards or incentives for higher-performance. In fact, many do.
> Look at any professional sports contract. Players usually get bonuses for hitting predetermined stat goals on the field. Look at any teacher contract. Teachers get bonuses for attaining higher education and certifications, or simply taking on leadership roles.
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Their constitution has been completely rewritten several times, most recently in 1987.
The original 1948 constitution stands with a series of amendments. The June Democracy movement of 1987 did not rewrite the constitution, they merely passed an amendment limiting the powers of the executive branch and strengthening democratic process. Collective bargaining rights have always been a feature in the South Korean economy and it would be exceedingly difficult for anyone to change this.
The point is, they're not simply keeping the collective bargaining rights because they're too difficult to change since the 1940s. The ROK have no qualms making massive changes to the very core of their constitution, including rewriting what got in the way of a corporatist dictatorship under Park.
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How much do you think Lebron James would be paid in a free market without collective bargaining?
I don't know, how much would he make if the NBA wasn't a monopoly?