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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by arliebeach »

truthhunter wrote: post #324
grujicd wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have 2 more datapoints. My wife went with me to the testing on the same date. If you're negative on rapid test, they usually take PCR as well. Since she was negative on the first one, there was a PCR too. These are her QR urls: Rapid test: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=16415703349MJ... Timestamp: 1641570334, time: GMT: Friday, 7. January 2022. 15:45:34 PCR: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?c…

Another question: Are all results displayed in green color, also the positiv ones?

All valid reports ("Report is VALID!") - both negative and positive tests - are in green color (Bootstrap 3 class .alert-success).

All invalid reports ("Report IS NOT VALID!") are in red color (Bootstrap 3 class .alert-danger). You can see it when open https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs without any subdir/script/query string.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by ls15 »

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #329
ls15 wrote: post #313

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> Doubt. You can't use a vaccination card or WHO vaccine passport? which country are you residing in? Germany. My vaccine cert is from a non-EU country. I cannot enter businesses without the digital EU cert. It's real.

You have three ways to enter German businesses either a digital certificate or a vaccination card from the pharmacy or your who vaccine passport... I am in Germany as well STOP lying on the internet.

https://www.infektionsschutz.de/coronavirus/fragen-und-antwo...

> Ja. Die momentan auf dem Markt erhältlichen Impfzertfikate in Scheckkartenformat werden im monochromen Thermotransfer-Druck erstellt und enthalten neben dem Namen der oder des Geimpften auch den QR-Code der zweiten oder dritten Impfung. Für den Kartendruck ist lediglich der QR-Code des Impfzertifikats der letzten COVID-19-Impfung erforderlich. Die Kosten für die Herstellung eines solchen Ausweises trägt dabei die oder der Geimpfte selbst.

> Die Überprüfung des Zertifikats erfolgt im gewerblichen Bereich über entsprechende Prüf-Apps (CovPassCheck), mit der der QR-Code der Karte gescannt und damit der Impfstatus nachgewiesen wird. Wie beim Nachweis über die CovPass-App oder die Corona-Warn-App oder den gelben Impfausweis muss die Nutzerin oder der Nutzer sich außerdem mit ihrem beziehungsweise seinem Personalausweis identifizieren. Wenn der Impfnachweis im Scheckkartenformat verloren geht, ist dies im Vergleich zum Verlust des gelben Impfbuchs nicht problematisch, da eine neue Karte jederzeit bestellt werden kann.

The vaccination card *IS* the digital certificate in physical form. You may want to look deeper, before you accuse people of lying.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by logifail »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #320
logifail wrote: post #319

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> Two doses is enough to drive down hospitalization risk to flu levels. Boosters aren't necessary from a public health perspective because boosting the already vaccinated has a miniscule effect on total hospitalizations. If you look at the data, it appears that vaccinating the young and healthy has "a miniscule effect on total hospitalizations", too.

There are very few young and healthy in the parts of the country where vaccination rates are low. The last Covid hospitalization surge in the US was mostly working age adults, whom the mandates would apply to.

> There are very few young and healthy in the parts of the country where vaccination rates are low

I'm not quite sure what to make of that claim. There are an awful lot of unvaccinated young people in the USA.

"13.2 million of US children and adolescents ages 12- 17 are fully vaccinated. [this] represent[s] 53% of 12-17 year-olds"[0] (as of 5 Jan 2022)

also

"Child vaccination rates vary widely across states. In 10 states, at least three-quarters of children (age 12-17) have received at least 1 dose, and in 16 states, fewer than 50% have received 1 dose."

[0] https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19...

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by sasajovanovic »

perakojotgenije wrote: post #185

"Absolutely wrong. Timestamp is the time of pdf download. Everytime you repeat the process timestamp will change. Difference in confirmation code is because he used 2 different state labs on 16th and 22nd. Very poor analysis, I have to conclude."[1] "You need to understand that these papers are not fakes. Both tests, database records as well as pdf certificates are 100% legit. He and his family have enough influence…

Negative. Timestamp in QR code is independent of the time of reading QR code.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by dragandj »

nikcub wrote: post #261
samwillis wrote: post #200

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I believe the “confirmation code” that’s higher for 16th than the 22nd test is still suspicious though. 16th: 7371999-259039 22nd: 7320919-259039 Does anyone have an explanation of how that code works. Could it have been related to a manufacturing batch of tests that’s been used out of order? Those of you here with test results how does that code relate to your testing date?

I wouldn't have bet a public accusation of this magnitude on those auto-incrementing ID's. There's a possibility the earlier positive test was conducted privately and was only registered with the government at a later date when he knew it would be required for visa purposes.

In Serbia, only the state system is licensed to perform officially recognized PCR tests.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by lern_too_spel »

logifail wrote: post #334
lern_too_spel wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are very few young and healthy in the parts of the country where vaccination rates are low. The last Covid hospitalization surge in the US was mostly working age adults, whom the mandates would apply to.

> There are very few young and healthy in the parts of the country where vaccination rates are low I'm not quite sure what to make of that claim. There are an awful lot of unvaccinated young people in the USA. "13.2 million of US children and adolescents ages 12- 17 are fully vaccinated. [this] represent[s] 53% of 12-17 year-olds"[0] (as of 5 Jan 2022) also "Child vaccination rates vary widely across states. In 10 st…

You missed the emphasized part of your quote, and you didn't quote whom the mandates affect.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by logifail »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #337
logifail wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are very few young and healthy in the parts of the country where vaccination rates are low I'm not quite sure what to make of that claim. There are an awful lot of unvaccinated young people in the USA. "13.2 million of US children and adolescents ages 12- 17 are fully vaccinated. [this] represent[s] 53% of 12-17 year-olds"[0] (as of 5 Jan 2022) also "Child vaccination rates vary widely across states. In 10 st…

You missed the emphasized part of your quote, and you didn't quote whom the mandates affect.

I was talking ( see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29904115 ) about the effect of vaccinating the young and healthy, I didn't mention mandates...

You then said "there are few young and healthy in parts of country where vaccination rates are low".

I'm still not understanding that statement. Across the globe - and across the USA - there are loads of unvaccinated young people, and (happily) most of them are healthy, and (happily) the data show that young healthy people are at very low risk from Covid19 even without vaccination.

What do mandates have to do with any of that?

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Post by skrbjc »

pvaldes wrote: post #270
logifail wrote: post #155

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> keeping people out of hospital Are there many previously young and healthy people ending up in hospital with Covid?

> Are there many previously young and healthy people ending up in hospital with Covid? Yes, of course, more than a thousand of children and young adults in their prime died just in US. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wrecked-lives-families-young-adult...

250 0-4 year olds died with Covid and 573 5-18 year olds died with Covid. Remember these are people that died in the hospital with a positive Covid test. One study out of UCSF found more than 40% of kids hospitalized with Covid were there for a reason other than Covid, like a broken arm, and then also tested positive with an asymptotic case. Likely the kids dying with Covid could be overcounted as well.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-...

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/study-number-of-kids...

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by lern_too_spel »

logifail wrote: post #338
lern_too_spel wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You missed the emphasized part of your quote, and you didn't quote whom the mandates affect.

I was talking ( see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29904115 ) about the effect of vaccinating the young and healthy, I didn't mention mandates... You then said "there are few young and healthy in parts of country where vaccination rates are low". I'm still not understanding that statement. Across the globe - and across the USA - there are loads of unvaccinated young people, and (happily) most of them are health…

I was talking about mandates in the comment your comment replied to. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29903853

Do you understand now? The entire point of this thread is that vaccine mandates will allow society to open up, which is not yet possible due to health system constraints, nor was it possible earlier. Your doctor quote is nonsensical in that it doesn't say anything about when society can open up. Today? When the pandemic first started? Obviously not — only when immunity is high enough or effective treatment is readily available.

From that same Dr. Pollard:

“When we do open, there will be a period with a bump in infections, which is why winter is probably not the best time. But that’s a decision for the policy makers, not the scientists.

“Our approach has to switch, to rely on the vaccines and the boosters. The greatest risk is still the unvaccinated.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/omicron-wave-pandemic-loc...

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