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Post by swampthing »

yabatopia wrote: post #325
swampthing wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure I have TOS too — it's how I came to discover Kinesis keyboards. It's manageable for me now, but I would be curious to find out if there was nerve damage so that I know how further I can improve and what's futile. Can I ask how the doctors determined that there was damage to your arm nerves? E.g. what sort of imaging / tests do they do?

In my case, the first clue came by accident. The MD asked my to hold my arms up and after a short time it became really painful and intolerable. Another one rest is taking your pulse by hand while holding up your the arm. If the pulse is pretty weak, hard to feel or completely disappears, that’s a strong indication for TOS. An electromyography or EMG is also often used to determine neuromuscular problems or nerve dam…

Thanks — I appreciate all the info and advice! This is invaluable.

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Post by astuyvenberg »

karmajunkie wrote: post #95
astuyvenberg wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 I really do like my new Moonlander, which I purchased in November. However, as a former Kinesis Advantage user, I miss the contoured shape, I think it helped a lot with carpal pain. That said, I'm not sure I can justify another keyboard.

ok, could you expand on your experiences with both? i’m a longtime kinesis user (like, LONG time—i got rid of one with an AT connector a few years ago) and i’ve been really toying with the idea of switching. what are the pros and cons you’ve experienced?

Sure! Moonlander pros:

- QMK is second to none. With the moonlander specifically I can flash my keyboard from any OS with nothing but a browser and a paperclip.

- Tenting is easy, adjustable, and feels good to use. I liked the thumb cluster tenting (over the ergodox) because it felt more natural.

- Excellent build quality, wrist rests are comfy, and it's pretty portable (it's in my carryon bag right now).

- High quality switch and cap choices (mostly, the custom thumb buttons are obviously nonstandard. But I strongly disliked the rubber function key row of the advantage 2)

- I occasionally play FPS games, and like that I can disconnect the right half of the keyboard and gain more mousepad real estate.

Kinesis pros:

- Mainly the shape. I think the kinesis is probably the most natural device to type on. The moonlander is comfy, but I think the kinesis is still more natural overall. The sculpted key-well is ideal, IMHO.

Both keyboards have eliminated my carpal tunnel symptoms, so I don't have any issues recommending either. If you're going to travel with a keyboard, definitely get the moonlander. But I think from a pure ergonomic standpoint - the kinesis wins.

If I ever switch jobs and have a keyboard stipend, I'll purchase the Advantage 360 and write a full review. But I'm very happy with my present position :)

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Post by cmauniada »

archarios wrote: post #217
cmauniada wrote: post #171

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I've had such a bad experience with the macbook layering (touchbar too), I feel like it might be more hassle having to turn the layer on and then press the key. Whereas with a dedicated fn row, it would be a lot easier. I'm quite happy with my adv2, but I can't wait for the reviews.

if the layer button is easily accessible, it isn't so bad imo. I have a function layer available just by moving my thumbs one button "inward" from resting position and I love it. It seems I like layers more than a lot of people though so *shrug.

I thought about this a bit more, and I'll give it a shot. I might see if I can contol my mouse using a layer (saw a person on youtube do something similar, but I forgot which video it was :/). That would actually force me to use the layers and see how it feels like in my daily workflow.

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Post by Tsiklon »

It looks like the initial launch on Drop was a big success for the Kinesis team, the whole run sold out in under 30 minutes.

I look forward to trying this out in summer 2022 when it becomes more readily available.

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Post by jbenner-radham »

akudha wrote: post #314
rangersanger wrote: post #69

I picked up a Kinesis a few month ago and it's been a life changer. I've struggled with shoulder pain since as far back as I can remember. I'd done PT, dry needling, massage, etc etc. I'd even sprung for a personal ergonomic assessment. I'm a cyclist and and keyboard jockey, so most of my waking life is spent in positions that seemed to make it worse. At times it prevented me from sleeping, doing things I enjoyed, et…

All of this sounds great, but it is nearly 450 bucks!!! I’d like to get one, the only turnoff is the price

The Matias Ergo Pro Keyboard is similar and costs $200. I’ve got one and it’s been great.

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Post by hackshack »

waynesonfire wrote: post #271

if you're still young, learn dvorak as soon as possible and when you're wise, you won't be crippled like these folks praising this keyboard.

This. Possibly my best computer "upgrade" was switching to Dvorak at 16 years old. Took about 2 weeks. It makes all keyboards much more comfortable, especially laptops. I would recommend Dvorak first, before starting down the path towards an ergonomic keyboard.

On Dvorak, your fingers automatically drift back to the home row because of how the letters are arranged, so I found myself touch-typing after several months with no specific effort. Plus, iOS only has QWERTY, so the phone keyboard keeps me in practice enough to use QWERTY on off occasions.

Dvorak plus the Kinesis Advantage, for me at least, is the most comfortable combination. Speed is probably a bit slower than a flat keyboard, but it's about long-term comfort, not speed, when I type as much as I have to every day.

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Post by 6a74 »

Tsiklon wrote: post #334

It looks like the initial launch on Drop was a big success for the Kinesis team, the whole run sold out in under 30 minutes. I look forward to trying this out in summer 2022 when it becomes more readily available.

Yes, but with a few small hiccups [1][2]. I was lucky enough to order one, two minutes before it was supposed to drop.

[1] https://twitter.com/kinesisergo/status/1472969186561249281?s...

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/kinesisadvantage/comments/rkoywv/ho...

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Post by underdogadmin »

Sholmesy wrote: post #72
FullyFunctional wrote: post #47

Base version gets PBT keycaps (yesss!) and Pro gets ABS (buuuh) Sadly not a typo. Hopefully the PBT set is available separately or (pretty please) PMK will make a custom run of the Ice-Cap.

Agreed, should just be an option in the cart. The PBT vs ABS conflict is the keyboard equivilant of Vim vs Emacs

I was able to order the Pro with Dvorak PBT layout. I didn’t realize till after they’re not shine through even though the Pro has backlighting. lulz oh well

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Post by whalesalad »

rangersanger wrote: post #69

I picked up a Kinesis a few month ago and it's been a life changer. I've struggled with shoulder pain since as far back as I can remember. I'd done PT, dry needling, massage, etc etc. I'd even sprung for a personal ergonomic assessment. I'm a cyclist and and keyboard jockey, so most of my waking life is spent in positions that seemed to make it worse. At times it prevented me from sleeping, doing things I enjoyed, et…

Just wanted to thank you for this comment. I have very broad shoulders but have been hacking on Apple keyboards for a few years now - the results are that I have essentially permanent internal rotation of my shoulders. This has led to not being able to breathe properly with my diaphragm, which causes all kinds of issues!

I missed the pre-order, but I grabbed a Logitech ergo kb from the local Microcenter a few days ago and already the changes have been substantial! Of course I am also focusing consciously on the breath, using my diaphragm not my stomach or clavicles. Thanks again! I never considered it until I read your comment.

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