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There are a large number of bills in US state legislatures aimed at suppressing honest and uncensored discussion of the Tulsa race massacre. In America, we should discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experiences. And we do, a lot of the time. But not always.
Name a single one
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#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are a large number of bills in US state legislatures aimed at suppressing honest and uncensored discussion of the Tulsa race massacre. In America, we should discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experiences. And we do, a lot of the time. But not always.
> There are a large number of bills in US state legislatures aimed at suppressing honest and uncensored discussion of the Tulsa race massacre. Which bills are those?
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> I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? This is a legitimate comparison between the CCP and the government of Oklahoma. It is a bad comparison in terms of responses. China fears and represses discussion of the Tiananmen Square massacre. In America, we discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experience.
Is it somehow better that the government of the United States doesn’t even need to try to suppress the information?
I'm not even sure it doesn't try. Didn't some politicians made actions in the recent past regarding the so called critical race theory?
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? This is a legitimate comparison between the CCP and the government of Oklahoma. It is a bad comparison in terms of responses. China fears and represses discussion of the Tiananmen Square massacre. In America, we discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experience.
> In America, we discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experience. Well, some do. The anti-CRT brouhaha is a reaction against that. Do you suppose they'll be teaching about the Tulsa Race Massacre in Oklahoma high schools in the near future? ETA I think people were taking me the wrong way. I added "anti-" above. The brouhaha is all the people trying to prevent their kids from hearing anything in…
On a higher level the issue is not one sided and focusing solely on one side is what the CRT brouhaha is all about. It’s an ideology not an attempt at portraying reality.
There is no human group in history that holds the moral high ground. Trying to convey anything else is tribalism.
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#335It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…
> should be only one remedy: imediate expulsion of any agent of repression of the Chinese state There should be the same remedy that is provided to any other bully. These are still kids. There is a learning opportunity. If they refuse to learn, yes, expulsion should be in the cards.
University students are emphatically not kids. The students who are US citizens are legal adults expected to vote an participate in democracy. At what age do you expect them to suddenly "grow up" and be responsible for their actions?
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The Chinese also don't talk about a lot of the bad things that happened in the great leap forward, which could have a case made that it was worse than slavery.
Is like to see what that case is? Because nothing about the Great Leap I’ve read compares to chattel slavery or the 40% losses of life in the transatlantic slave trade.
In absolute number of dead, it's certainly worse, if only because of the scale of China. According to Henry Louis Gates 12.7 million Africans were abducted by the slave trade. Estimates for the Great Leap Forward are 15 to 55M dead from famine and several million more from violence.
https://www.abhmuseum.org/how-many-africans-were-really-take...
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#337This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…
I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…
I like your terminology: pseudo freedom. You brought walking around with a beer being illegal in almost every location in the U.S. That’s a good example but here is an even more fundamental example of pseudo freedom in the U.S. The following is about the criminalization of walking. The link is to a small sized PDF written by a law professor.
https://www.illinoislawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05...
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You realistically don’t need to do anything at all. It’s just spite at this point.
Well, you have to know something about the law to know when it does/doesn’t apply, and this student newspaper apparently decided it didn’t care to invest that kind of time. I think this is understandable for those of us who don’t prefer to study other countries’ laws. Perhaps EU subjects should seek to improve their laws.
Nah. Speaking as an American ex-pat, it's about Americans being offended that foreign laws have heft and import. It pierces the sovereignty bubble. The Internet is home-grown. How dare other nations dictate to us Americans how we run our sites, amirite? We're gonna take our toys and home.
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As someone who has asked that question to a series of lawyers, the answer is surprisingly expensive.
Of course, lawyers exist to make themselves money. Doesn't change that if you don't violate GDPR you won't be fined. A simple blog does not violate it, so they must be doing something creepy.
Very simple sites can violate it. For one example: if you, or anything in your stack, logs IP addresses you need a legitimate business interest to do so. It is needed for security and usage statistics and stuff but you will need a lawyer to explain that when you get hit with some fines.
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#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? This is a legitimate comparison between the CCP and the government of Oklahoma. It is a bad comparison in terms of responses. China fears and represses discussion of the Tiananmen Square massacre. In America, we discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experience.
> In America, we discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experience. Well, some do. The anti-CRT brouhaha is a reaction against that. Do you suppose they'll be teaching about the Tulsa Race Massacre in Oklahoma high schools in the near future? ETA I think people were taking me the wrong way. I added "anti-" above. The brouhaha is all the people trying to prevent their kids from hearing anything in…
CRT has nothing to do with teaching history.