The company is having trouble recruiting? Maybe Facebook should insist on their employees to be vaccinated.
Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say
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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say
#332Interviewed there a few years back. This was right after one of the many Facebook crises became public (sorry, forget which). I wasn’t super interested in the role or working there but was interested in seeing what an offer might look like. One of the interviewers was clearly going through a crises of conscience and told me he was thinking of leaving. All of the interviewers made it clear they didn’t personally use t…
That’s just the reality of money. What self respecting talented engineer seriously uses any of this stuff? Now imagine everyone across enterprise, it’s even more of a shit show (literal evil industries). The duality creates a conundrum amongst a generation that often don’t settle down with a family until very later (if at all). If work is just for money, and you have nothing else in life, well shit, your ass is gonna…
> What self respecting talented engineer seriously uses any of this stuff
Not Facebook itself, but Oculus is way ahead of any commercially viable competition right now and I don't see this changing anytime soon.
Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say
#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook's biggest problem in the next few years is going to be that it will struggle to attract new talent. Simply put if you're a senior SWE, even the possibility of FB putting a stain on your resume is going to drive you away, because there are so many other options out there. It's not worth the risk of always having to explain your time there because everyone has an opinion on the company these days. It's not tha…
On the other hand, I would personally find some sanctimonious interviewer asking me to defend my previous employment history from a perceived position of moral superiority a great screening tool for companies I would never want to work for.
If it's a moral issue with a company you've worked for, you won't get the chance to defend yourself in front of a sanctimonious interviewer; you'll get screened before that point.
Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
I worked at a place that is discriminatory and has hostile attitudes against men - 1) a team I was previously on had two open headcount. I knew a friend of mine that would have been a perfect fit for the role. I suggested my friend and was told that they weren't considering men or non-diverse candidates. I'm a mixed Latino and was told this from a white man 2) a government grant was given to businesses impacted by co…
I'm putting aside whether this telling is accurate, or whether this happened or not (given it is a throwaway). Just answering the questions about legality: 1: 100% illegal. Any FAANG manager has likely had to go through hiring training that stresses this point. 3: 100% illegal. 4: Might be illegal under Federal law if this is a blanket policy, definitely illegal under California law (most "equality"-type laws and pro…
A recruiter working for Google sued Google over point 1. Maybe that lawsuit was all lies, couldn't find anything about what happened with it later, but at least it isn't just a bunch of anecdotes.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/2/17070624/google-youtube-wi...
Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cash in, cash out. Resume is a trail though.
Has there ever been any instance of someone being turned down for a job because they had FB on their resume? I see this sentiment pop up a lot on HN but when it comes down to it you could always explain it away with “it was my only offer at the time and I had crushing student debt and/or medical expenses to take of”. If someone has moral qualms about working at FB that’s a different issue but the whole “don’t want to…
I would not turn away anyone because of where’d they’d worked in the past. You gotta hustle to bring home the $$$ and the I’m not gonna judge you for doing what you had to do.
Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say
#336I’m a FB employee and I’m giving my notice tomorrow. I interviewed with them in 2019 just so I could get a competing offer and had no intention of working there, but at the end of my interviewing run they were the only offer I had. It was 2x my current salary and it was too hard to turn it down when the money was right there in front of me. I had sincere moral issues with the company but I convinced myself their wors…
Glad you are following your conscience. You'll return all the money / stock options you were issued when you give your notice right? For the (expected) downvoters, this is a legitimate question, because the easy thing is to quit after benefitting from something you eventually discover is "bad". Real moral principle comes from that extra step, usually of hardship, whereby you have the moral realisation and also penanc…
Real moral principle comes from giving the money you earned...back to Facebook? So that Facebook can be richer?
Maybe think for five seconds before being an amateur moral philosopher in public, with other people's money, next time. You don't seem to be very good at it.
Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say
#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
They’ve certainly faced an onslaught from the press, which has decided they are Philip Morris 2.0. It’s very unclear if that is going to translate into actual legal trouble. If I was at FB I’d be more concerned with how young people are rejecting it.
Young people(of which I am one if 24 is considered young in this context) might reject FB but instagram(owned by FB well now meta) is probably the most engaged social media by people of younger 18-29. And whatsapp is the most used messaging platform in most regions of the world. If I was at FB, I would be most concerned with my company not being considered "cool", the potential kneejerk reaction of governments worldw…
I’m afraid 24 is not young in this context. Teens are what these companies seem to care about (judging by the ad budget in the hundreds of millions), and in that demographic Instagram is behind both Snapchat and TikTok. It would seem that social media apps are like music: teens want an exciting new thing of their own (which, well, I have bad news about the coolness of music you like…)
Perhaps WhatsApp’s position is stickier, I’m unsure of it’s importance I’m driving revenue however.
Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say
#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you wanted to work on those things I'd think the last thing you'd want is for your work to be owned by them when you're done, though.
Not the last thing, or at least not the worst company to choose if that's important - Oculus research has a better track record of publishing AR/VR research and opening up old hardware (unlocked Oculus Go) than anyone else doing serious AR/VR work. Apple, on the other hand...
> better track record ... opening up old hardware (unlocked Oculus Go)
This one thing that happened 3 weeks ago is a "track record"?
Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say
#339I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…
I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.
> on the wrong continent.
Afiak they're about to open (extend?) a new office in London, not sure if that's related or not. When one of my friends told me that (he works for a FAANG company) I had a similar reaction to yours: "Where are they going to get the people for that in this market?"
Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man This is not a thing.
I worked at a place that is discriminatory and has hostile attitudes against men - 1) a team I was previously on had two open headcount. I knew a friend of mine that would have been a perfect fit for the role. I suggested my friend and was told that they weren't considering men or non-diverse candidates. I'm a mixed Latino and was told this from a white man 2) a government grant was given to businesses impacted by co…
> Preference was given to women and minorities.
I directly know of an international financial institution (that probably most of the HN-ers have heard of) telling my SO's company, "off the record", that they would prefer to have a woman engineer assigned to their IT contracting position (my SO works for a IT services consulting company). One of my friends works for a FAANG company and he told me that a woman was directly chosen over a man for a promotion only because she was a woman, the man had higher credentials and had done more for the company than said woman but in the end that wasn't enough. I'm from Europe, where things have not gotten so out of control as in the States, so I suppose over there these cases happen even more often.