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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by throwawaylinux »

VictorPath wrote: post #240
lacker wrote: post #194

This title is quite editorialized. The whole controversy is over whether these are human rights organizations as this website claims, or terrorist groups as the Israeli government claims. It should not be a surprise that the NSO group, as an Israeli company, is working against groups that the Israeli government considers to be terrorists.

> human rights organizations as this website claims, or terrorist groups as the Israeli government claims. These NGOs get funding from the European Union, and Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch condemned Israel outlawing these human rights NGOs - so it Israel against not just this magazine, but the EU, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch etc.

The EU being that terrorist organization whose member states orchestrated and funded the destruction of Libya, among other atrocities?

Not sure that lends much credibility to the proxy organizations they fund and influence. This is not some benevolent group dedicated to improving and protecting life around the globe. It is a corrupt, morally bankrupt hive of war criminals and arms profiteers. If ever they pretend to care for someone who is not rich, it is obviously with ulterior motive.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by tata71 »

mike_d wrote: post #324
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (this was clear from the Darknet Diaries episode) think that episode also mentioned it iirc ... that the plausible deniability goes out the window the minute they host their own infrastructure. also NSO Group goes through great length to obscure who they're selling to using shell and shelf companies. actually indistinguishable from how narco terrorists and organized crime operates: https://forensicnews.net/the-cove…

> that the plausible deniability goes out the window the minute they host their own infrastructure NSO operates the infrastructure and customers provide a list of phone numbers. They will launch exploitation against the provided numbers without any knowledge of who owns the phone (as long as the number isn't from a restricted country like Israel or the US). Once the implant calls back it goes to a portal where the cu…

> have to

Careful, now.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by benja123 »

DSingularity wrote: post #303
joelbluminator wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hasbara Hasbara. When you're pushing Palestinian narrative you're progressive. When you're pushing zionist narrative you're an evil Jew Hasbara troll.

Yeah, except the hasbara efforts are real and well documented. Pretty disingenuous for you to try and present OP in such a way.

Israeli here. I don’t want to get into an argument here about the six NGOs, Israel and NSO group. I personally don’t have enough information to make an informed decision on it.

There is one thing I want to clarify though. Hasbara is Hebrew for “explaining” - so when Israelis or any Hebrew speaker say hasbara it literally means “explaining” their point of view. Now more often or not, Israelis and Hebrew speakers actually complain that “our governments Hasbara/explanation was garbage” or “wow, we did a really poor job explaining ourselves there”.

When you put it into that context, you need to understand from an Israeli/Hebrew speaker point of view “hasbara” is not a bad thing at all - it’s a necessity regardless of if you are pro or anti Israel.

Unfortunately people who don’t understand Hebrew have turned a common Hebrew term into a derogatory attack against any Israeli or pro Israeli individual and this extremely problematic for so many reasons I won’t get into now.

Regardless, every time you accuse someone of “hasbara” you are actually just accusing them of explaining themselves or their point of view and since it is everyone’s right to be allowed to explain their point of view - you really aren’t accusing them of anything bad at all.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by dragonwriter »

DSingularity wrote: post #330
joelbluminator wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every country in the world uses diplomacy and public relations to create a better strategic reality for itself, especially in times of conflict. Israel is no different than the U.S or Australia or the Palestinian Authority for that matter. It's pretty disingenuous of you to call it "Hasbara" when Israel does it as if it's some kind of Israeli phenomena.

Hasbara is what the Israelis call it… what would be a more sincere way for me to refer to it?

Given your apparent intended meaning, “propaganda” seems most appropriate.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by helge9210 »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #312
helge9210 wrote: post #298

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There was a case couple of years ago near Salfit (Palestinian town near the end of the road 5). First, someone "shot at security vehicle". I remember telling my wife after reading the news: "See what happens next". Of course, the barged into Salfit to "retrieve video recordings from CCTV cameras" shooting some mid-aged man in front of his family. It was already clear, what will happen next. In couple of days 19 y.o.…

>It was already clear, what will happen next. Is it? The attempted murder of innocent people? Is that the sort of behaviour that should be accepted and tolerated? because it sounds like you are saying that.

> The attempted murder of innocent people?

In your opinion, what should a teenager do after witnessing extrajudicial execution of his relative by occupying army?

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by joelbluminator »

DSingularity wrote: post #330
joelbluminator wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every country in the world uses diplomacy and public relations to create a better strategic reality for itself, especially in times of conflict. Israel is no different than the U.S or Australia or the Palestinian Authority for that matter. It's pretty disingenuous of you to call it "Hasbara" when Israel does it as if it's some kind of Israeli phenomena.

Hasbara is what the Israelis call it… what would be a more sincere way for me to refer to it?

Public relations? Diplomacy? Even propaganda if you want to be negative towards Israel? Why would you use the Hebrew word for it, do you use the Hebrew word for other things as well? It's not a unique thing to Israel that's exactly my point.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by joelbluminator »

benja123 wrote: post #333
DSingularity wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, except the hasbara efforts are real and well documented. Pretty disingenuous for you to try and present OP in such a way.

Israeli here. I don’t want to get into an argument here about the six NGOs, Israel and NSO group. I personally don’t have enough information to make an informed decision on it. There is one thing I want to clarify though. Hasbara is Hebrew for “explaining” - so when Israelis or any Hebrew speaker say hasbara it literally means “explaining” their point of view. Now more often or not, Israelis and Hebrew speakers actua…

It's yet another tool in the "destroy Israel" toolbox; prevent Zionists from speaking up or defending themselves. If someone says anything remotely positive about Israel (even if it's real) it's "Hasbara", some kind of black magic. Already it's increasingly difficult to identify as pro Israel in American colleges, slowly but surely it's happening.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by raxxorrax »

tartoran wrote: post #140
yonixw wrote: post #117

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> Israel, a country that terrorizes Palestinians on the daily accuses They don't. Sending a Police Riot control unit against a group of people throwing stones and molotovs does not qualify as being terrorized. > accuses everyone that fights it as terrorists. If they hurt bystanding civilians (and they do) or funnel money for it (and they do) there is nothing wrong with that. > Maybe some are They are, Hamas, Hezbolla…

Ever wondered why those people are protesting? If you only follow the history of the region you’d quickly realize that Israel did (and does) terrorize their neighbors who in turn retaliated and the vicious cycle of vendettas on eachother continues to this day. What is realy cool about Israel is that they’re a democratic country and a large part of their country denounces all this violence, there is a way forward towa…

They tried to give back Gaza and got extremely burned for that. Should they have listened to Egypt how to deal with the people in Gaza? I don't think so.
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