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Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by user-the-name »

h_anna_h wrote: post #303
CRConrad wrote: post #264

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> Make sure to block TLS connections on every network that you manage. You don't know what naughty things your users might be doing after all. You would not want to help a criminal, would you? Way not to get the point. Are you saying the overwhelming majority of users on some network GP manages are using it to do "naughty things"? Yes, then of course GP should shut it down. That's why the question in this sub-thread…

No need to be so hostile and toxic. I only mentioned it because this is an actual argument against TLS that I have seen being used in the past, even by popular sites such as pornhub for example (before being forced to enable TLS due to google downranking non-https sites). I also mentioned it because one of the points of TLS is to hide what kind of content is being accessed, so just like freenet you will not know whet…

You are saying THAT is the "hostile and toxic" response that is not in good faith, but you are fine with "Make sure to block TLS connections on every network that you manage. You don't know what naughty things your users might be doing after all. You would not want to help a criminal, would you?"

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Post by robertlagrant »

brokenmachine wrote: post #243
robertlagrant wrote: post #241

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But that's not justice. It's just... hate.

I couldn't think of the best word to use. Actually poetic justice is what I was looking for. Karma's probably pretty close to what I mean - for all the workers peeing in bottles toiling in his salt mines, and everybody's cumulative suffering because of the taxes he never paid. Just because he's been involved in corrupting the system so much that those taxes aren't even demanded doesn't mean he gets out of a karmic ob…

> So call me a hater if you like.

I'd probably call it tribalism? 20th century had quite a lot of poorer people killing richer people in the name of same.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by cgtzczykldpq »

pnathan wrote: post #262

I've run Freenet twice in the last twenty years. Maybe 2006, 2012? Each time CSAM was surprisingly visible. Maybe these days it's kicked off to a corner but back then it was pretty much a click away. I'm going to have to say if that's the basic motivation for censorship resistant communication in the USA, I am disappointed and sad. Wonder if it's actually useful in places where you actually have censorship, or if it'…

If y'all only try to see if there is CSAM and then uninstall when you succeed, then of course the CSAM percentage will become high because only the CSAM perverts do not leave!

So instead keep using it and actually put the other content onto it yourself!

Hosting on Freenet is free and easy, you just upload a site and post it to FMS and it will be online for many years if people keep accessing it.

You don't need any server whatsoever: The machines of the other users store content which you upload (in an encrypted fashion so they cannot censor it and aren't legally culpable for it). It automatically gets replicated to more machines as it becomes more popular, thus good content stays available for a very long time and unpopular content gets garbage-collected.

So put your "money", i.e. effort, where your mouth is:

Don't just only constantly criticize FAANG for lack of privacy and censorship.

Instead, also take care of actively maintaining the spaces which provide privacy & freedom so they don't become barren.

A free public space which is only controlled by the general public needs the general public to take care of it.

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Post by noxer »

singh_ wrote: post #150
noxer wrote: post #95

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Everyone moved to telegram. They host your "offensive" memes and chats, they dont care. Right-wing, left-wing whatever you can post it there. You cant call for violence or show violence, like gore content and terrorist videos do get removed. Everything else is fine (for now). Download the app from the website not form the stores to avoid googles censorship.

How long would telegram keep that reputation? They will succumb to pressure one day.

Maybe, but nonetheless OP is looking for a palace NOW and since it lasted for 8 years it may as well last for another few.

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Post by noxer »

ogurechny wrote: post #175
singh_ wrote: post #150

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How long would telegram keep that reputation? They will succumb to pressure one day.

Telegram has been succumbing to the pressure left and right for years now, from US and EU to Iran and Russia. Don't worry, it will always manage and find the compromise between its PR bullshit and corporate and state level requirements. I can't even imagine how many secret services monitor what's going on right on Telegram servers.

hurr durr [insert basic telegram hate here] hurr durr

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Post by noxer »

fortran77 wrote: post #196
noxer wrote: post #95

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Everyone moved to telegram. They host your "offensive" memes and chats, they dont care. Right-wing, left-wing whatever you can post it there. You cant call for violence or show violence, like gore content and terrorist videos do get removed. Everything else is fine (for now). Download the app from the website not form the stores to avoid googles censorship.

When the group was on reddit, I liked it because it was laser-focused. The moderators didn't tolerate racism, anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric, antisemitism, sexism, etc. On these other platforms, the users seem to think that, in the name of "free speech" everything is allowed everywhere. So on other platforms that tried to host it, it's full of off-topic posts. The don't respect the rights of a group of people to carve out an a…

Telegram is just like reddit in this regards. Its up to the user to make and enforce content rules in a closed community. If you want a channel/group with only very specific content then make it somewhat hard for stupid people to gain write permission and have a bunch of volunteer checking the content submitted. Every other platform would require similar strategies to get what you want.

The existence of other groups/channels on telegram with other rules is completely irrelevant. If people are unable to switch between communities and respect the different rules in each then that's their problem and you just remove them.

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Post by noxer »

iammisc wrote: post #164
noxer wrote: post #83

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Makes no sense, Trump is pro vaccine and has been from the beginning.

It has been incredibly interesting how the antivax movement has suddenly become a right wing thing after years of festering on the left (including not so long ago with our own VP). I mean... I used to live in Marin county, one of the bluest in the country and one of the least vaccinated. Then COVID comes around and suddenly everyone's pro-COVID-vax, but anti every other vax. Robert Kennedy JR was also instrumental in…

Its not right or left or conservative its anti-authoritarian it makes perfect sense that "hippies" are now considered anti-vaxer. They want to decide what "drug" they inject and no gov should decide what isn't allowed and also no gov should decide whats mandated to inject. If its voluntary they likely dont care at all. The whole term "antivaxxer" is biased anyway. Most people now pushed in that group are not against vaccines they are against mandating, pushing, incentivizing, shaming etc. people into getting it especially if the gov is behind it.

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Post by EGreg »

ArneBab wrote: post #233
EGreg wrote: post #112

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Far far more advanced — it splits data into chunks, encrypts it end to end, uses a Kademlia DHT which removes the IP addresses after the first hop so no one can find all the nodes, has consensus about the files and their evolution, and uses later cryptographic primitives like BLS keys etc. etc. https://safenetforum.org/t/maidsafe-vs-freenet-i2p-ipfs/9409

None of the points you note here are advantages of maidsafe over Freenet — except maybe the later crypto primitives (though these aren’t necessarily safer). But your link has one important point: "Freenet…is more a exchange and communication system instead [of] a data management system as Maidsafe". The goal of Freenet is censorship resistant communication . That is its focus and the origin of almost all its features…

Why don't you consider them advantages?

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Post by noxer »

h_anna_h wrote: post #302
noxer wrote: post #107

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>This is a bold and unsubstantiated claim. I'm fine with that but its non the less the hard truth there is nothing like the 1st amendment in any other place. >For other actions that are protected under the 1st amendment? Depends.... To be in the right doesn't mean you win the court case that's true but in the EU you dont have the 1st amendment, you dont have the right to free speech. If the court system does its job…

I showed that this is incorrect here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28587930 > You go to jail because what you said is actually a crime to say Sounds like the US. Just look at all these people who went to jail for crimes related to illegal numbers (eg. piracy). Or people like Mildred Gillars. Or the various whistleblowers.

Complete nonsense. If you voluntarily agree to not leak secrets and do so anyway its not protected under free speech. You also dont get jailed for speech but for the act of breaching some agreement or other law.

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Post by southerntofu »

martin_a wrote: post #309
ArneBab wrote: post #285

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Have you ever been threatened by a right-wing extremist that they would come to your house when you answered their hatred online and pointed out the flaws in their logic? I have been. That’s why I deeply appreciate having a pseudonym that’s separated from where I live so I don’t have to fear Neonazis turning up at my doorstep or attacking my kids when I write something they do not like.

You know that you could just name yourself "John Doe" and that's it, right?

As the original commenter pointed out, neonazi networks using their connections in law enforcement and other corporations (or simply setting up honeypots) are a real concern for personal safety.

EDIT: For what it's worth, if neonazis are not a threat where you reside (where is that and how can i get citizenship?), any bad actor could engage in the same kind of behavior, whether it's a political police, an industrial group whose corruption/pollution you're fighting, a local mafia who wants to ruin you...

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