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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by nmz » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:27 PM UTC

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #273

arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

Bill Burr might be right, but there are, for example, people who think satirical news shows are actual credible news. I don't think what Joe Rogan does is much above a step beyond that sort of entertainment.

Fox news has news in its name and the daily show got emmy's every single time, not to mention that time The colbert report tried getting a super pac and managed to get it.

Last week tonight is quite credible.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by WalterBright » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:27 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #304

WalterBright wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my frame of reference, the Sun indeed revolves around the Earth. Just like the chair you're sitting in is stationary according to your frame of reference, while from another it is hurtling through space.

Not in any normal way; the geocentricists tried to build mechanical models but the increasing number of epicycles was a big clue that the system was in fact heliocentric.

I well understand the history of this topic, after all, I have two years of Caltech physics :-) Nevertheless, as Einstein demonstrated, things look very different depending on the frame of reference.

There's no such thing as a "normal" frame of reference.

> the geocentricists tried to build mechanical models but the increasing number of epicycles was a big clue that the system was in fact heliocentric.

Not exactly, it was a big clue that the planets did not move in perfect circles. The mechanical models did not provide any evidence of heliocentrism. It was Galileo's observations of Venus that torpedoed the geocentric theory.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by supperburg » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:27 PM UTC

arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

Says people who don’t watch joe rogan. Joe rogan has two kinds of guests: experts/scientists and show biz people. The former are why I watch the podcast. And I think it’s important because it gives a platform to people are being ignored by the mainstream. Take for example Paul Saladino. Watch that podcast and tell me it’s pseudo science. You can’t because he’s meticulously citing a paper and bringing up that paper to the screen practically every five minutes. And he’s an MD. And he’s been proven right by CAC score. And he’s planning an angiogram which if it comes out clean will be incontrovertible… he was right. It annoys me that people want to shut down joe rogan for harmless speculation he makes. If you think of Galileo and his conflict with the church, he’s very much like a joe rogan guest. Has a controversial but correct scientific insight, clashes with authority and the old dogma. There’s definitely been a handful of people like that. The MAPS guy comes to mind. His vindication was massive and joe rogans contribution to that was probably not insignificant.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by swader999 » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:27 PM UTC

krastanov wrote: post #321

swader999 wrote: post #277

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Covid vaccinations have only been proven to protect the vaccinated from severe outcomes. They don't prevent infection or re-transmission. There's no valid claim to pushing this on those that don't want them.

Of course I agree that those who do not want vaccines should not be forced. But they also should not get to ruin everything for the rest of us. The r coefficient for vaccinated people is drastically lower leading to protecting those that can not get vaccinated (whom, I guess, unvaccinated people do not mind screwing over). And vaccinated people are not taking away ICU beds from people suffering from non-prevetable di…

By your logic we should penalize obese people. It's more of a factor in icu admission stats than vax status.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by 99_00 » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:27 PM UTC

arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

>acting like we know what's up better than the CDC

Bill Burr is a comedian. He's telling a joke. A joke something someone says to cause amusement and and laughter.

Everyone should question and seek information on issues they care about.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by foldr » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:28 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #304

WalterBright wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my frame of reference, the Sun indeed revolves around the Earth. Just like the chair you're sitting in is stationary according to your frame of reference, while from another it is hurtling through space.

Not in any normal way; the geocentricists tried to build mechanical models but the increasing number of epicycles was a big clue that the system was in fact heliocentric.

Copernicus’ heliocentric system actually had more epicycles than contemporary Ptolemaic models.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by aaronbrethorst » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:28 PM UTC

nradov wrote: post #322

Bud wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic. Plus, that's simply not very funny. By the way, GP did not say "be more serious", as you likely know. They said he should take his enormous reach more seriously.

If you give a monkey a machine gun, and the monkey shoots someone, we don't blame the monkey. Society has always had court jesters who poke fun at authority. If you take health and epidemiology advice from a comedian then that's on you.

If you take health and epidemiology advice from a comedian then that's on you

And every person you infect.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by manigandham » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

lghh wrote: post #247

timr wrote: post #203

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I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.

Say I'm an interviewer running a podcast about SaaS startups. Which is more useful? 1. I interview a handful of people who have differing opinions on what it takes to lead a SaaS startup who have all had successful exist, but have differing opinions on key issues. Maybe throw in a few people who have experience working in that type of environment, but maybe not leading, if you want a little more variety. 2. I intervi…

When did "useful" become a metric for this podcast?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by INTPenis » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

The discussions about Rogans social responsibility are just silly. He's an entertainer. People need to understand that.

But his influence dropping, I'm not at all surprised. I used to follow him until he moved to Spotify. Now I only catch the occasional clip on Youtube. And I've actually forced myself to endure the awful spotify UI for some special episodes like Dave Chappelle.

But otherwise I'd rather avoid that mess. It's truly awful.

I don't see how Spotify won anything, as some in this thread are saying. Youtube still gives you maximum exposure, and for just a little more than what Spotify charges you get essentially the same music catalogue, AND youtube premium ad free. I can't deny that's a good deal to me. I haven't watched TV since 2010, Youtube has way too much content in truth.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by neither_color » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:30 PM UTC

colinmhayes wrote: post #268

nradov wrote: post #232

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You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?

Joe's anti mask bullshit has caused people to die. Yea, I'd like him to take that seriously.

Are you accusing Joe Rogan of manslaughter?