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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by shapefrog »

rgovostes wrote: post #233

Scott Forstall, who led iOS until 2012 and oversaw the creation of the App Store, once said that he installed a new app every day to see what new ideas developers were coming up with. The mass migration of apps to the subscription model has killed this sort of exploration and discovery of new apps. As one example, I recently looked for a flight tracker and many wanted more than $30/yr for a tool that is (to me) an oc…

Developers used to be motivated to release the next versoin and make you buy their app all over again. The upside is now you dont have to buy a bunch of applications for $120 (a year if you always want the latest version) and you can just pay as you go. But like you I have had a few subs that ran over and now I avoid where ever possible.

Adobe were the last to annoy me, previously I am sure I had paid up for a few months and then unsubscribed. Now its a 12 month commitment when you take out a subscription.

Off topic; but if you want a flight tracker, and like to tinker, try feeding flightradar24 (or any of the other), while you feed them you get their full membership. A pi and a usb tv card are all you need to get started!

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by jl_agilebits »

john_minsk wrote: post #312
jl_agilebits wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. First of all, our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a single Rust-powered core that could be shared across all our apps. This has many advantages: feature consistency across platforms, faster developm…

Question: you built it in Rust for performance reasons, right? Wouldn't Electron take it away?

The short answer is no. People often have misconceptions about Electron apps based on their experiences with a poorly written one. I've had my own fair share of bad experiences with Electron-driven apps. But the way we've utilized Electron is far different than most applications.

Our Electron app is really only a thin client over a Rust-driven backend that handles all our business logic. We only invoke Typescript when we need to render the UI; everything else goes through Rust. We even run some Swift code too, for deep integration with the operating system.

Memory is still an issue with Electron, but we're getting better at reducing the footprint. We've put a lot of work into optimizing this app, so I recommend you give it a shot; I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how performant and responsive it is.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Spivak »

andrecarini wrote: post #251
jw1224 wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1Password’s 2FA OTP auto-fill is such a blessing. It saves me so much time compared to how I used to have to do it — pull out phone, unlock, open Authy, wait forever for it to load, type in code, put phone away… It’s the little things that all add up. I’m very happy with 1Password — been using it for 10 years, and happy to subscribe, considering it’s probably my most-used utility app.

> 1Password’s 2FA OTP auto-fill is such a blessing. Until your vault is somehow compromised and your second factor is no longer distinct from the first one...

If my password vault is compromised it's game over anyway. There's enough access in there to remove the 2FA on all of my accounts even if you didn't have the codes. There's no way I'm giving up breakglass access and risking locking myself out of my accounts permanently or while I'm on road if I lose my phone.

The point of using 2FA for me is to protect me against my password being compromised since it's a long_lived access key.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by xondono »

InTheArena wrote: post #137
xondono wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That said, people arguing that lastpass is better then 1password, given that lastpass has access to your passwords Don’t get me wrong, I hate Lastpass with an unprecedented rage for something that should be a simple utility (I’m forced to use it at work and it’s a time sink), but I don’t know where you get that and would like a source.

sorry, quick correction. It was dashlane. https://blog.dashlane.com/virginia-tech-passwords-study/

> Virginia Tech researchers led by Dr. Wang have collected a number of publicly available password datasets from the Internet in January 2017. The datasets were obtained from various online forums and data archives.

It looks like they just used already leaked passwords.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Zizizizz »

evanb wrote: post #178

Also a stand-alone user since 1pw4. This news finally got me to try pass, the command-line utility. https://www.passwordstore.org/ The format is plain text. You can git control your password repo. You can organize into directories, etc. It has an extension architecture; you can have it generate otps, for example. You can have specific passwords unlock with more than 1 key, if you want to do eg. family or business sha…

I've been using it for over two years, I absolutely love it. Check out pass-otp as well as rofi-pass (if on Linux) as I think it's the best way to have password entry on any computer. It sends the keystrokes so I can paste passwords in nested virtual environments where an extension might not be installable

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by jl_agilebits »

evgen wrote: post #106
yesimahuman wrote: post #68

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This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users. 1Password's Windows client, for example, has always felt behind the Mac edition, and if this brings parity and a higher feature and update velocity, that's a win. I have at least three Electron apps open right now and they are all great experiences that the va…

Electron is a pile of shit and _every_ Electron app I am forced to use should be a source of continuous shame for any dev who actually worked on it. This has nothing to do with improving features or service and is completely about increasing revenue and improving the sort of numbers investors like to see -- driven entirely by the fact that AgileBits has recently closed a B round and needs to show more revenue to just…

I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. I've posted this already in another thread, but there seems to be some misinformation being spread that our technical decisions are being driven by VC funding.

Our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a single Rust-powered core that could be shared across all our apps. This has many advantages: feature consistency across platforms, faster development cycles, and better security. When building the front-end for the desktop platforms that would take advantage of this new core, Electron suited us perfectly, since we could write our UI code once and make it consistent across Linux, Windows, and Mac. We actually did build a native Mac app initially alongside the cross-platform Electron app, but we eventually decided that having two separate versions of the macOS app (one in Electron, one in SwiftUI) would cause a lot of needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team.

I can understand your frustration about Electron, but I hope you find my explanation reasonable. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by paulryanrogers »

brandonarnold wrote: post #74

The argument they're making in this longwinded post applies to most software today. Standalone licenses made sense when your life revolved around one PC saving data to its own hard drive. Today, if you want that, there are great free/DIY options.

Having dabbled in productizing desktop software I think it's more because of API churn on modern OS's. It used to be you only need to buy once, and things work for years. Maybe a modest paid upgrade after a major OS upgrade.

Now OS's evolve continuously. Semantic versioning be damned!

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by staticassertion »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

Yeah, same. This is fine by me and changes nothing for me as a customer.
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