Live data from Hacker News

TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

asia.nikkei.com

331–340 of 725 posts

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

#331

I'm baffled by the glowing endorsements of TikTok on Hacker News of all places. TikTok content comes across as completely vapid. It's like the worst possible mashup of bad television and social media. As a company TikTok seems to have zero goals beyond increasing engagement.

Sure it's vapid and I'm glad I've aged out of feeling I need to participate in any of these things. But it's great to see competition with SV, competition FAANG, competition with the US even. It's not a solution, but it's a breath of fleetingly fresh error for everyone sick of endless monopoly, acquisitions, and "tech nationalism for me, free trade and dependency for thee".

Can someone interpret what this means?

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

#333
post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On an abstract level, that sounds terrible, doesn't it? At the same time though, I feel like this seems like the "least bad" possible solution. If a subset of accounts are only going viral because people want to bully them, it seems reasonable to limit that content's reach.

Yes, it does sound terrible, on any level. Just get rid of minority viewpoints rather than enforce some sort of basic civility when discussing them? Just get rid of the harassed rather than the harassers? How will that iterate over time? That would be like firing the current women coming forward against Governor Cuomo and leaving the governor alone to continue his ways, to put it in a current headline context.

[deleted]

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

#334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It didn’t cost a dollar a lot of the time on iOS. Very few people ever paid for Whatsapp.

Most people on the planet don't use ios, and in 2016 when whatsapp had, IIRC about 900 million users was about when they cancelled it. It's fair to assume a lot of people paid that dollar.

Why did you assume I wasn’t only talking about iOS in my post when I only brought up iOS? I did not even bring up Android. Regardless, most of you’re reply isn’t true.

First, people who talk about iOS maimly charging $1 usually also bring up android charging a dollar after the first free year. Are you only claiming the iOS part? If so. Why ignore the android part?

Why would Facebook, one of the most profitable companies, keep charging a dollar for Whatsapp in 2015 and 2016? They didn’t.

In reality, almost no one on android or iOS paid for Whatsapp. WhatsApp was regularly free on iOs in between stints of being a dollar. On android, almost no one got charged the dollar that came after the purported free trial period.

Why would it be fair to assume a fair amount of people paid for it? The fact that no other app whose success mattered on being viral has successfully followed this strategy would make it fair to assume it did not happen.

If tens upon tens of millions were charged for iOS [and android], is there any thing to back this up? to back this up? WhatsApp was cagey with their private company revenue. OTOH anecdotally on forums like this and others, It’s hard to find too many early WhatsApp users who paid for it.

All my friends in two friends groups were on WhatsApp pre FB buy out. I only remember myself and one other friend in each friend group paying for it.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

#335
post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok's algorithm is just pre 2017 YT and FB cranked up by 100X. For some reason the media hasn't gone after TikTok yet for pushing people into "echo chambers" but they basically just feed the most engaging content with no breaks on the train. I read an article about the parent company and they have one of the most popular news app in India as well despite none of the engineers being able to read what content is bei…

> they basically just feed the most engaging content with no breaks on the train. this is simply not true, i regularly get videos with less than 100 views, and a few videos i published got a few hundred views.

New stuff is scored well too at first, so the algorithm can "test" and see what kind of traction the post gets. If it hits a certain score for traction then it's boosted more, and if it doesn't then it's buried.

It's pretty much purely about the popularity curve of each post. The more it drives engagement the more it's boosted.

All hail the algorithm.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

#336
post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also documented that Cambridge Analytica used data made available to it by Facebook to target millions with political propaganda. It wasn't just the US election, they had plenty of practice validating the strategy in elections in smaller countries. Where's the evidence that TT has been successfully used for nefarious purposes on a similar scale?

> Where's the evidence that TT has been successfully used for nefarious purposes on a similar scale? I don't need to see a particular bomb blow up to know it'll be dangerous when detonated.

[deleted]

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

#337
post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As opposed to US based networks? There are important differences between being influenced by domestic actors, as part of a domestic political process, and being influenced by foreign actors. The latter is a far more serious threat to political independence. It's also pretty well documented that the PRC political authorities already use its domestic social networks in this way.

It's also documented that Cambridge Analytica used data made available to it by Facebook to target millions with political propaganda. It wasn't just the US election, they had plenty of practice validating the strategy in elections in smaller countries. Where's the evidence that TT has been successfully used for nefarious purposes on a similar scale?

Think about how last summer Harvard discovered that Covid started in Wuhan back in August 2019 using satellite imagery and then overnight the focus became how to combat anti-Chinese sentiment (hate crimes had risen against Asian-Americans to levels seen earlier in the 2010s, still an order of magnitude less prevalent than hate crimes against American Blacks). TikTok was the principle platform leading that charge. Pretty simple strategy and it worked, no one even talks about the timing of the Wuhan cover up anymore.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

#338
For those individuals interested in TikTok, Bloomberg has a six-part podcast series - Foundering: The TikTok Story - available [0]. Well worth a listen and discusses the origin of TikTok as well as some of the controversy that surrounds the app.

[0] https://www.bloomberg.com/foundering

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

#340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry I was describing our current social networks. Impossible to gauge how thick to lay it on in text.

> Sorry I was describing our current social networks. Impossible to gauge how thick to lay it on in text. I know you were. The issue here isn't that this kind of manipulation is totally unheard of, it's that it could be done far, far more effectively and stealthily with the control of the platform.

Eh let's take responsibility for our own culture before blaming on the insidious machinations of the great hidden Other.
Post reply on HN