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My small revenge on Apple
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Re: My small revenge on Apple
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It’s also the reason they had to make it mandatory. No one would use it otherwise. I use it all the time for the privacy it provides.
That's evidently not true. Plenty of apps, including the author's, use Google's and Facebook's auth solutions without being coerced into doing so. EDIT: Can someone explain how this is wrong?
The difference here is that neither Google nor Facebook require you to use them in most places.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am going to assume you haven't read/understood everything I wrote I don't force users to use Google/FB. They can use traditional email signup just fine Emails could be masked before Apple ID came along. Namely, gmail addresses let you do this. So it's not anything new or revolutionary. Users could use that to sign up for Groups before I would have probably ended up implementing Apple ID, but the fact that they forc…
> Emails could be masked before Apple ID came along. Namely, gmail addresses let you do this. How? I've used gmail for over a decade now, and I have no idea how to do that with my address. > I don't trust FB or Google either And yet you have no qualms providing a login through either of them both in the app and on the web. So much for "I care about security and privacy".
Gmail has the `+` trick and ignores any `.`s in the name area. E.g. `foo@gmail.com`, `foo+bar@gmail.com` and `f.o.o@gmail.com` will all deliver to the same gmail inbox.
It's not nothing (I tend to use it to track how my email address is being sold), but not a real level of masking, since anyone in the know could regenerate the "standard" address easily.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
Forcing it on you is what gives their users the privacy assurance/functionality of using the app and not giving the apps their emails. They want you to redesign your app so that you don’t rely more n mail to provide functionality. It’s a good thing, even for you.
I don't dispute that it is a good thing. I object to the method of implementing it by force I am an Apple customer as much as an iPhone user is. But Apple chooses to treat me as an employee, after having charged me (and paid me nothing). Do I have the right to be upset? Could they not have sweetened AppleID by encouraging users to ask devs to implement it or even by reducing our dev annual fee by some $? I think it w…
You can remove the other third-party login options and offer only email+password.
Part of the reason people pay the Apple premium (which is definitely a fact) is because of platform consistency. We are paying more so things are consistent, I expect to not being forced to use a google or facebook account, I expect to have a single place to manage my subscriptions.
If I didn't like that, why in hell would I pay more to be in the apple ecosystem???
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#335> look ugly and inconsistent Hate to break it to you, your app is already ugly, the thin black border around the Apple sign in doesn’t change the fact the rest of the app looks awful. Also you’re not getting “revenge” on Apple, you are just fucking over your users who use Apple.
> "Hate to break it to you, your app is already ugly, the thin black border around the Apple sign in doesn’t change the fact the rest of the app looks awful. Also you’re not getting “revenge” on Apple, you are just fucking over your users who use Apple." What's going on with this entire awful thread? A bunch of Apple fanboys crucifying the developer for refusing to play by Apple's rules? The developer has every right…
The developer has every right to do what they did just as I have every right to call out their bullshit. Why don’t you fuck off?
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
Protest is an important form of participation in a democracy, it's not petty at all. Forcing developers to add Apple ID as a sign-in method is the petty thing. The developers have no power unless they unionize in some form which seems absolutely impossible. So it seems to me that it's all a developer can really do to make a statement and I think it's brave.
Apple is extremely hostile to developers. After a couple of bad experiences with the app store I simply refused to do any development for iOS.
As a consumer, I really don't care about it.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
To this date, I have sent 0 marketing emails trying to sell stuff. Heck, I don't even try to sell anything, I develop out of love and passion. The only reason email is needed is for password recovery But yes, Apple is great. Again, Apple is great. Apple good, good good good
If you are using Apple Id for authentication, why you need to have a password recovery functionality?
Password recovery is for all other authentication methods. Although there is a case where it still would be valid there: if a user signs up with AppleID but chooses to use an unmasked email address, and then logs out, and tries to log in again but this time forgets that they used AppleID and they try using normal sing-in, then Password reset would also work to reset their "password" (the definition of an AppleID user's password is a bit tricky here and don't want to write something that's too long)
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#338Seems a bit petty to me. As a developer I empathize with the possible lack of documentation (I don’t know, I never tried to integrate Sign In with Apple) but as a user I actually am super happy with it. Nowadays any iOS app that doesn’t support logging in with Apple makes me think twice about whether I really need the app.
Before apple introduced apple id, there was a annoying tendency of applications offering only third-party authentication from either google or facebook.
Compared to Google or Facebook, Apple is definitely the lesser evil and an acceptable compromise between trusting Google or Facebook and the inconvenience of creating a login for every app.
Forcing the implementation of Apple ID on applications that use other providers is actually increasing customer choice for me.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#339Unbelievably unprofessional. If I was a user, even if I was unaffected, I wouldn’t be using any of your software anymore. Treating your users with contempt because of your personal feelings towards a company is bizarre.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
To this: >To this date, I have sent 0 marketing emails trying to sell stuff. Heck, I don't even try to sell anything, I develop out of love and passion. The only reason email is needed is for password recovery And your other reply in the thread: >Frankly, I couldn't care less about whether you trust the app or not The fact is, I send 0 emails and privacy and security are top priorities. [...] TBH I am a bit tired of…
To be fair, Apple users only care about privacy when it suits them - 5-6 years ago, it was not a priority of any apple user and many mocked non-apple people for caring about it. If apples handing it to you, it must be important, or so the thinking seems to go
It's also a facade as well. Notice that each time Cellebrite demonstrates that they can unlocked encrypted iphones, there isn't massive weeping and moaning in the Apple community, nor is there a mass exodus out of the ecosystem. Apple users only care about privacy if it happens to work. Once they lose it, they continue to be good little fanboys.