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The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by ma2rten »

chopin wrote: post #149
Miraste wrote: post #41

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Everyone and their mother blocks back buttons. Major news sites do it. There is no way that's what's ranking them this high.

Sites should be punished into oblivion for doing this. Why do browsers even allow it? Is there a legitimate use-case for this? I am maintaining an SPA and the only thing I do is trying to not pollute history. But I'd never try to block the back button.

I think a legitimate use-case is asking for confirmation before leaving the page when filling out a form so that the user doesn't loose their data.

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by fstrthnscnd »

hackbinary wrote: post #328
tlogan wrote: post #264

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I do not think that it is up to Google or CloudFlare to police the internet. If a site is doing something illegal then report it to appropriate gov agency. If gov agency does not anything then get involved into political process to fix that.

If Google, or CF, or whoever are fronting illegal activity with their services, they are absolutely responsible for damages the party they are proxying. Platforms must be responsible for the content they are hosting, broadcasting, and publishing. One to one communications between two people exchanging ideas and having a private discussion is different from mass broadcasting.

> Platforms must be responsible for the content they are hosting, broadcasting, and publishing.

> One to one communications between two people exchanging ideas and having a private discussion is different from mass broadcasting.

The highway is used both by those visiting their friends and those doing mass deliveries. Is it the job of the highway maintenance crew to control for what purpose their network is used?

I would like to know if the above analogy stands.

Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27994831

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by [deleted] »

kkoncevicius wrote: post #323
yetanotheralexn wrote: post #283

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Your examples seem to work for me (the second one only if combined with double quotes). Do you have more? https://snipboard.io/PYhNHW.jpg https://snipboard.io/HvRaiE.jpg It would be cool to find datapoints for a proper bug report for Google :)

Well, there is always stuff Google thinks you shouldn't read about. Try these (both are first hit on ddg.gg and nowhere on google): - Politics Influences the Science of COVID-19 - Ten elements of false covid narrative - Josh Mitteldorf unthinkable thoughts

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Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by [deleted] »

lupire wrote: post #308
wccrawford wrote: post #233

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When it comes to murdering someone, I'm going to prefer the person who has never murdered anyone yet. When it comes to service providers, I would tend towards your direction. They did a thing that had conflicting ethics on each side, weighed the outcome and their ethics, and then made a hard decision for the future. What they did could be reversed, too, and didn't cause much permanent damage. Murdering someone is ver…

this metaphor is absurd. the actual murderers here are the contributors to the banned sites, nor cloudflare, and there were a lot more than 1 murders.

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Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by xorcist »

tlogan wrote: post #264
yosamino wrote: post #231

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> The best they do is forward your complaint to the owner of the website, who is free to ignore it. Or worse. Since I have no way to know beforehand who I would be dealing with, this is actively dangerous - what if the mobster running this site is having a bad day and choses to retaliate ? Also what a stupid fucking policy that is. Even if you are not legally compelled to block content, what is the point of actively…

I do not think that it is up to Google or CloudFlare to police the internet. If a site is doing something illegal then report it to appropriate gov agency. If gov agency does not anything then get involved into political process to fix that.

If someone were to tell AT&T that this call center customer of theirs is in the business of extorting people for money, they'd at least look at it and help law enforcement accordingly. Cloudflare has a talk-to-the-hand attitude until actively forced by law enforcement. That's an important difference right there.

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by FDSGSG »

yosamino wrote: post #231
avian wrote: post #111

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> We reported the sites to both CF and Google, and to my knowledge, not a single site were removed before the people behind it took it down. As someone that tried reporting spam sites because they were using content scrapped from my website, I'm not surprised. Cloudflare has a policy that they will not stop providing their IP hiding/reverse proxy services to anyone, regardless of complaints. The best they do is forwa…

> The best they do is forward your complaint to the owner of the website, who is free to ignore it. Or worse. Since I have no way to know beforehand who I would be dealing with, this is actively dangerous - what if the mobster running this site is having a bad day and choses to retaliate ? Also what a stupid fucking policy that is. Even if you are not legally compelled to block content, what is the point of actively…

>One can easily write an email to abuse@hoster.example.com and usually these people do not want garbage on their networks. CF is making it impossible to do notify them, and they refuse to implement an alternative procedure.

But that's exactly what CF does. They forward your abuse complaints to the abuse contact of the IP address hosting the content.

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by [deleted] »

fstrthnscnd wrote: post #332
hackbinary wrote: post #328

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If Google, or CF, or whoever are fronting illegal activity with their services, they are absolutely responsible for damages the party they are proxying. Platforms must be responsible for the content they are hosting, broadcasting, and publishing. One to one communications between two people exchanging ideas and having a private discussion is different from mass broadcasting.

> Platforms must be responsible for the content they are hosting, broadcasting, and publishing. > One to one communications between two people exchanging ideas and having a private discussion is different from mass broadcasting. The highway is used both by those visiting their friends and those doing mass deliveries. Is it the job of the highway maintenance crew to control for what purpose their network is used? I wo…

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Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by playguardin »

hnbad wrote: post #306
iratewizard wrote: post #282

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And 8chan, the 4chan alternative where anyone can make and moderate their own board.

Better known for being linked to the Christchurch and El Paso shootings, being the origin of the QAnon movement and having a history of hosting child pornography. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8chan

Your retard is showing.

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by zizee »

fstrthnscnd wrote: post #332
hackbinary wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Google, or CF, or whoever are fronting illegal activity with their services, they are absolutely responsible for damages the party they are proxying. Platforms must be responsible for the content they are hosting, broadcasting, and publishing. One to one communications between two people exchanging ideas and having a private discussion is different from mass broadcasting.

> Platforms must be responsible for the content they are hosting, broadcasting, and publishing. > One to one communications between two people exchanging ideas and having a private discussion is different from mass broadcasting. The highway is used both by those visiting their friends and those doing mass deliveries. Is it the job of the highway maintenance crew to control for what purpose their network is used? I wo…

The "owner" of the highway is the government, who regulates commercial traffic differently to personal traffic. The government places strict rules on who is allowed to use the highway, and how it is used.

The highway maintenance crew is akin to the person installing racks for CloudFlare.

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by chopin »

ma2rten wrote: post #331
chopin wrote: post #149

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Sites should be punished into oblivion for doing this. Why do browsers even allow it? Is there a legitimate use-case for this? I am maintaining an SPA and the only thing I do is trying to not pollute history. But I'd never try to block the back button.

I think a legitimate use-case is asking for confirmation before leaving the page when filling out a form so that the user doesn't loose their data.

But this can be achieved with other means. I have exactly this on my SPA.
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