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Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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Could someone with knowledge of the matter explain why scientists still publish to these journals, and still sign up for access? It seems like as long as every university in the world can just switch to a blog a do away with publications, they'd save a lot of money, improve science, and reduce complexity overnight. Why are paid journals still a thing?

It's a coordination problem. A journal is valuable because having a publication in it confers prestige and impact, which scientists need for jobs and tenure.

Now, if all scientists in a field were to switch to a new journal, they could take the prestige with them, get rid of the rent seeking publisher, and have the same science, prestige, and impact for a fraction of the cost. But if any individual scientists switches, they'd carry the full loss (of foregoing prestige/impact), while achieving no gain. So, you need to have everybody on board simultaneously.

A switch like that can happen [1], but it happens rarely. Often it takes the nestor of a field to get sufficiently pissed off with a journal and persuade everyone to move on. Great example: Don Knuth in 2003 convinced the Editorial Board of the Journal of Algorithms (which he had founded) to resign [2], and start ACM Transactions on Algorithms with a different, lower-priced, not-for-profit publisher. Elsevier kept the old Journal going, but gave up and folded 6 years later. Yay.

Wish that would happen more often. But given that the situation was basically the same 20 years ago, I am not optimistic. What needs to happen to shake the scientific publishing world up??

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier#Resignation_of_editor...

[2] https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/joalet.pdf

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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> getting new papers on to Sci-Hub and it becoming a little bit less relevant over time Sci-Hub is just as relevant as ever. What has happened is that paywalled papers published in 2021 are losing a substantial proportion of their readers and potential citations, and their future impact will be depressed compared to papers from previous years. Even when Sci-Hub starts adding papers again, there may be a significant p…

> Unestablished researchers publishing important early-career papers in paywalled journals are getting harmed. I'm always amazed at the lack of will to change what everyone agrees is a problem.

It's always lack and coordination and power, not lack of will. There might be around a thousand scientists in the world that are relevant enough to be able to contact other big names and try to get the whole scientific community on board, not only with a massive effort to make the problem well known to the general public and try to gather enough attention to it, but also making some specific proposals on how this can be solved, and proposing some rather drastic measures if laws are not changed, like getting scientists to agree to ignore any paper that's not released freely and publicly online, and trying to get the media and everyone else on board. But those big names are usually very busy already, and doing useful things. Not more useful than this, but translating from will to coordination is one of the biggest problems preventing humanity from making the world a better place. Some essays like "meditations on moloch" have discussed this problem in more detail if you are interested, but the key idea is that existing power dynamics and the interests and willingness to cheat or be "cleverer" of a minority can deeply compromise the game for everyone else, moving the individual "rational" decision (low risk) very far away from the collective optimal.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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I was idly curious about the account state, so went digging for visualization tools. Most of them have nice designs and not very much info :) but - https://mempool.space/address/12PCbUDS4ho7vgSccmixKTHmq9qL2m... shows a presumably-USD$ amount next to each transaction - https://explorer.bitquery.io/bitcoin/address/12PCbUDS4ho7vgS... (select "Sankey", slide "Detail level" all the way to the right) shows how the money's…

All together she made 250,000 over the lifetime of that address.

At today's BTC price, or price at the time of receiving it? (The latter would be the most appropriate measure, I'd think. Or maybe use the price at the price when she spent it, though that would incorporate the result of her speculating on BTC, in a sense.)

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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Send money to the bitcoin donation address on the site. Verify it for yourself as well, but I believe the address is 12PCbUDS4ho7vgSccmixKTHmq9qL2mdSns

One concern that I have is: what if her wallet has already been confiscated by the authorities? Then all the donations would directly go to the government, which is why it matters.

Thanks to the Archive link I could at last read the full article

Seems like she is not that in trouble, so my concern does not hold.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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I am really grateful for Sci-hub and don't think I would have done my MS without it being existed. No university even in the US (Except mayb4 levy schools) could have granted me access to all the papers I needed.

I hope she will get her first win in the Indian court so that it gets back to add new papers and advance science and help students as it used to be for the last decade.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

#336

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Honorary doctorate, maybe?

Elbakyan's contribution to humanity is way bigger than that and cannot be overstated. An honorary doctorate from many major international universities, maybe. Her effort deserves to be rewarded with the nobel peace prize, imsvho.

It would be neat if she was awarded 1/2 or 1/3 of the medicine or chemistry prize for example

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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Prometheus, Titan god of fire, was sentenced by Zeus to eternal torture. An eagle ate his liver every day and it grew back overnight to be eaten again. The Modern Prometheus, Victor Frankenstein, didn't end well either, dying of the arctic cold while chasing his monster. I wish Ms Elbakyan, our Even More Modern Prometheus, a kinder fate. But clearly it's a high risk job.

I also enjoyed the implication in the article that she is an avatar of Saraswati.

But you're right, she faces risk, which the Prometheus story, while overused, better captures.

Her name Alexandra also brings to mind the Library of Alexandria, which is a happy coincidence.

And as for risk, we also remember her predecessor, Aaron Swartz.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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Prometheus, Titan god of fire, was sentenced by Zeus to eternal torture. An eagle ate his liver every day and it grew back overnight to be eaten again. The Modern Prometheus, Victor Frankenstein, didn't end well either, dying of the arctic cold while chasing his monster. I wish Ms Elbakyan, our Even More Modern Prometheus, a kinder fate. But clearly it's a high risk job.

Knowledge is power and no one entity powerful enought likes to have it flowing freely. It would become free at about the same time the monetary system becomes obsolete, in other words never. That doesn't mean that the opposition to the powerful should stop and that is what Sci-Hub is.

> flowing freely

Another reference to Saraswati.

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