LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator • Hacker News Board

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by bebop » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:42 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #210

The submitted title was "Y Combinator kicks out Paul Biggar over a tweet". That is inaccurate, so in keeping with the HN guidelines (" Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ), I've replaced the title with the tweet text. That's the standard thing we do with titles, when people post Twitter links. Much as I'd love to,…

I think your post could have not included:

“Much as I'd love to, it's not my place to say why the original title was inaccurate, so I'll just remind you all that there are two or more sides to every story and not everything on Twitter is true.”

And “Normally, of course, we would downweight this sort of petty drama.” And could have avoided unhelpful conflict in the threads below. You sort of threw your opinion out without expressing it outright.

For what it is worth I have no opinion either way and generally agree this sort of post should be downweighted.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by vincentmarle » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:44 AM UTC

plusbryan wrote: post #22

This is really distressing, especially considering the ongoing public behavior of the original founder. Kicking out Paul seems like the opposite reaction for YC to have. It would be helpful to hear a public comment from them about this situation.

You're right. They should both be kicked out.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by thrwn_frthr_awy » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:44 AM UTC

Permit wrote: post #134

dasickis wrote: post #120

I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…

Your account may very well be biased but it astonishes me how many HN commenters are willing to chime in while knowing next to nothing about what actually took place. I know next to nothing and as such would typically hesitate to comment. Others appear to know next to nothing and appear very interested in sharing their opinions here, and I don’t quite understand why...

When I worked at Apple I got to read a ton of comments on HN when features I worked on were released and so much of it just wasn't true. Even articles, blog posts, and news reports.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by slumpt_ » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:45 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #318

slumpt_ wrote: post #301

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“petty drama” speaks volumes. Edit:Please, downvote. Just reinforces my point. What is wrong with this community, jfc

FWIW, I think that was probably because your comment was unsubstantive enough that it was unclear what you meant, which probably put it in a worst-case situation. Also, unsubstantiveness attracts downvotes in its own right, especially when it contains traces of snark. Also, your account has quite a history of posting unsubstantive comments—could you please not do that? We're trying for something different here. https…

We can set aside my history and focus on the simple point being made: labeling this issue as "petty drama" speaks volumes. It speaks volumes about you and the values you are espousing for this site and community, and reflects poorly upon YCombinator as an establishment in general.

In early March we were at a point in a global pandemic where vaccines were hard to come by in the US and real lives were at risk and changed by receipt of the vaccine.

That it is simply "petty drama" that someone is calling out the community for ejecting him over being repulsed by behavior that seeks to sidestep a good-faith system intent on helping those most at risk first is disgusting.

How's that. Is that substantive? I figured it was between the lines.

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Post by pdonis » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:45 AM UTC

SavantIdiot wrote: post #306

ekianjo wrote: post #174

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Lying to skip lines is probably considered "growth hacking"

But he didn't lie. Many clinics are opening up to first-come, first-served because vax rates are dropping and they still have inventory. Feels like drama?

Were they doing that in March, when the incident in question happened?

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Post by jeherr » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:45 AM UTC

plusbryan wrote: post #22

This is really distressing, especially considering the ongoing public behavior of the original founder. Kicking out Paul seems like the opposite reaction for YC to have. It would be helpful to hear a public comment from them about this situation.

Ongoing behavior of the original founder?

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by OldHand2018 » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:45 AM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #317

mbgerring wrote: post #274

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So just so everyone has the full context: Oakland opened up its vaccination sites to more people on a shorter timeline than the rest of the state, in certain ZIP codes with disproportionately poor residents, in order to get vaccines to those disproportionately poor residents. I know this because this is how several of my friends who live in West Oakland got vaccinated ahead of the eligibility opening up in the rest o…

A friend of mine flew out from Zurich to CA to get a shot. They gave him one without checking anything. His response? “America has the best vaccine program on the planet. They have so many rules in Zurich that the confusion is holding things back. They’d rather throw away vaccines than break minor rules”. Vaccination should be easy, bureaucracy free and straightforward; especially now . I can understand age restricti…

I think there is a large difference between having guidelines and asking people to voluntarily follow them for the sake of expediency, and having a policy of first-come-first-served.

This incident was in March, and what is really sad is that back in March there were places in the US where it really was first-come-first-served. I know many people here in Illinois that got vaccines in Indiana because their official policy was that any open slot was fair game if it was less than 24 hours to go. That policy started in late February or early March.

There is absolutely no reason to be jumping in line, especially if you have the means to travel.

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Post by blisterpeanuts » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:46 AM UTC

nodoodles wrote: post #155

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #106

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in a way, he's saying snitches deserve to have their wounds properly sewn up.

in countries with free healthcare, everyone gets stitches when they need them, not only snitches..

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Post by jachee » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:46 AM UTC

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #179

nine_k wrote: post #124

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> Why are adults in the US using Twitter/GIF memes instead of finding thoughtful and mature ways This way they evoke more emotion, so, more of the unthinking (feeling-based) approval: retweets, reposts, just being remembered. When it's funny, it makes people happier along the way, when it's angry, it may make people also feel anger, but a righteous, just anger. It's a potent drug which is very hard to stop taking rec…

Memes pack more information and context into less content. We're basically going through a mini printing press style communications revolution right now. Before (say 1999) you had print which was cheap and audiovisual which was expensive/time consuming. Now thanks to tech audiovisual content is something the masses can use to communicate and it's affecting culture greatly.

“Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.”

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Post by jkaplowitz » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:47 AM UTC

nomdep wrote: post #321

jkaplowitz wrote: post #277

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Not all. NY hasn't yet expanded eligibility to international residents, unlike some states like PA (other than Philadelphia) and TX which are okay vaccinating anyone of the right age regardless of country of residence. Source: https://covid19vaccine.health.ny.gov/ "All individuals 12 years of age and older that reside in the United States are eligible to receive the vaccine." https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid…

That tweet from the official account of the City of New York says otherwise: “With State authorization, we can get vaccines to tourists and make sure they have a built in souvenir to bring home with them.”

That tweet is just being imprecise, not contradicting me - they can give it to tourists, just tourists who live somewhere in the US. The state did authorize that. The statewide restriction was NY residents only until the city started pushing the state to allow a broader policy. All of my links are from official state or city sources as well, and those reference webpages and official forms get a lot more attention as to the details than a single admittedly official tweet.

In practice, I doubt an international resident would be refused at many of these sites, as they're no longer asking for proof of residency beyond the attestation on that form, and it would probably be an informal or even formal policy not to turn people away who admit they don't fit within the guidelines. But still, that's just a question of tolerance for going outside the eligibility criteria, not a refutation of the existence of the criteria.