Roku is similarly evil towards smaller apps, like demanding a cut of app revenue after the app gets a large user base.
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Roku is actually more heavy handed than Apple. Apple allows any streaming provider to be on the AppleTV without making any kind of deal or negotiation. No, streaming providers do not have to give Apple a cut. They can force you to pay on their website. You can not pay for Hulu Live, Youtube Live TV, Netflix or many others through the App Store.
> Apple allows any streaming provider to be on the AppleTV without making any kind of deal or negotiation. Content providers do have to make deals to get on AppleTV. You just don't hear about it. Here's an example: "WarnerMedia has firmed up a distribution deal with Apple for distribution of its forthcoming streaming service HBO Max.... Under the deal, HBO Max will be available on Apple devices and integrated with th…
No they make a “deal” to integrate with the TV app on the AppleTV. Not to get on the AppleTV.
Yeah I know it’s confusing (not being sarcastic). The AppleTV is the device. The TV app is an app on the AppleTV and iOS devices.
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#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apple allows any streaming provider to be on the AppleTV without making any kind of deal or negotiation. Content providers do have to make deals to get on AppleTV. You just don't hear about it. Here's an example: "WarnerMedia has firmed up a distribution deal with Apple for distribution of its forthcoming streaming service HBO Max.... Under the deal, HBO Max will be available on Apple devices and integrated with th…
Maybe I’m confused, but aren’t these two different things? As the OP stated, any streaming provider can have an app on Apple TV (ESPN, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Amazon, Peacock, etc…) while some providers may also negotiate deals to be more prominently integrated in to the Apple TV ecosystem and/or distributed/upsold through the Apple TV+ bundle. I think they are mutually occurring circumstances… or maybe I am totally misu…
You are right. The TV app is a centralized place that keeps tracks of all of the shows you watched across providers. It’s an application on the AppleTV and other iOS devices. Those are the “deals” that the original poster linked to.
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> Me: First, why would I ever want that? It’s bad enough YouTube now keeps playing videos in a little thumbnail when I try to exit them. Second, why are you charging a monthly fee for a feature that ought to just come with your app? It makes sense - Google can't run YouTube without ads. Ad buyers, which have ads in video form, don't want to run ads when the user isn't looking at the content nor able to easily click o…
I can listen to YouTube on my PC with the YouTube window in the background. I can listen to YouTube on my phone without looking at my phone. Why would you pay extra to listen to YouTube with your screen off? It might not make sense from YouTube’s business perspective, but sadly that doesn’t mean charging for this “feature” makes sense either.
Doing something that makes sense from a business perspective, even if it doesn’t make sense from the consumer’s perspective, is the entire reason things are done at companies.
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#335HBO Max was delayed in appearing on Roku because of negotiation breakdowns. In the case HBO it was Roku that seemed to have the demands. They are looking at revenue anywhere they can, but if their position weakens look for Google, ATT, and others to simply forgo working with them. I think Roku is in a perilous position in general. They generated a lot of buzz on Wallstreet with their high user counts. They also purch…
I think we probably hang out in different crowds.
I have a Chromecast, and various consoles. Roku is still the best overall (despite shortcomings). Everyone I know who bought a Roku prefers it to all the other options. Can anyone tell me what other streaming devices have over Roku?
What I need:
- A real remote. Not going to use my phone to control things.
- Good search. When I search, I want results from most of the apps - so I can find out which ones have the show/movie I'm looking for (with an indication of price).
- Good support from all the major services: Youtube, PBS, Plex, Netflix, all the major TV channels (HGTV, ABC, CBS, etc).
- Easy to install my own app without militant control from the manufacturer.
- Affordable ($25-35), and not integrated into my TV.
- Can use in hotels/motels - this is critical (Roku generally wins big here - Chromecast totally fails).
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The reason I picked and stay with Roku is that they aren't married to a single Big Tech co. I already suffer the lack of a proper YouTube app on my Echo Show because Amazon and Google are having a tiff. I don't want to pick an ecosystem and live exclusively inside of it. As it is, I'm already in a mixed household (Me with iOS and my wife with Android) and it's a pain to deal with the lack of cross-platform playing to…
Roku is actually more heavy handed than Apple. Apple allows any streaming provider to be on the AppleTV without making any kind of deal or negotiation. No, streaming providers do not have to give Apple a cut. They can force you to pay on their website. You can not pay for Hulu Live, Youtube Live TV, Netflix or many others through the App Store.
> You can not pay for Hulu Live, Youtube Live TV, Netflix or many others through the App Store.
Is this a comparison with Roku? Whenever I buy stuff using a Roku app, Roku is not involved.
Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands
#337HBO Max was delayed in appearing on Roku because of negotiation breakdowns. In the case HBO it was Roku that seemed to have the demands. They are looking at revenue anywhere they can, but if their position weakens look for Google, ATT, and others to simply forgo working with them. I think Roku is in a perilous position in general. They generated a lot of buzz on Wallstreet with their high user counts. They also purch…
I think we probably hang out in different crowds. I have a Chromecast, and various consoles. Roku is still the best overall (despite shortcomings). Everyone I know who bought a Roku prefers it to all the other options. Can anyone tell me what other streaming devices have over Roku? What I need: - A real remote. Not going to use my phone to control things. - Good search. When I search, I want results from most of the…
I think OP had the answer. Android TV beats its because you don't think about buying a Roku when your TV comes with something equivalent.
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#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apple allows any streaming provider to be on the AppleTV without making any kind of deal or negotiation. Content providers do have to make deals to get on AppleTV. You just don't hear about it. Here's an example: "WarnerMedia has firmed up a distribution deal with Apple for distribution of its forthcoming streaming service HBO Max.... Under the deal, HBO Max will be available on Apple devices and integrated with th…
Maybe I’m confused, but aren’t these two different things? As the OP stated, any streaming provider can have an app on Apple TV (ESPN, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Amazon, Peacock, etc…) while some providers may also negotiate deals to be more prominently integrated in to the Apple TV ecosystem and/or distributed/upsold through the Apple TV+ bundle. I think they are mutually occurring circumstances… or maybe I am totally misu…
You're right that anyone can make an app and that's separate from integration with system-wide search and the TV app, but when you make an app Apple has a bunch of restrictions over signup, the language you use around signup, and Apple gets a cut.
Over the years there has been drama between Netflix and Apple over it (and Spotify and Amazon Prime Video). I think it's mostly been resolved, but Apple wants apps to integrate more deeply but it sounds like it needs to convince these companies to do it one at a time.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21203630/apple-amazon-prim...
Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reason I picked and stay with Roku is that they aren't married to a single Big Tech co. I already suffer the lack of a proper YouTube app on my Echo Show because Amazon and Google are having a tiff. I don't want to pick an ecosystem and live exclusively inside of it. As it is, I'm already in a mixed household (Me with iOS and my wife with Android) and it's a pain to deal with the lack of cross-platform playing to…
Personally I use Roku because it's the snappiest experience with the fewest crashes. I started with a Chromecast but its integration with Android was a little too deep: leaving wifi while casting YouTube would cause the YouTube app to hard lock into a "connecting to chromecast" error that persisted even after force-stopping the YouTube app. The second time I had to restart my phone because of that I chucked the Chrom…
I have an older Roku 3 and a (2nd gen?) Amazon FireTV box (the flat box thing not the stick), and the sound from the FireTV box is far far superior than that of the Roku 3 (did a test using the same soundbar). Not sure if Roku has improved on its sound output since then or not (the Roku 3 I have is of course pretty old).
Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we probably hang out in different crowds. I have a Chromecast, and various consoles. Roku is still the best overall (despite shortcomings). Everyone I know who bought a Roku prefers it to all the other options. Can anyone tell me what other streaming devices have over Roku? What I need: - A real remote. Not going to use my phone to control things. - Good search. When I search, I want results from most of the…
I think OP had the answer. Android TV beats its because you don't think about buying a Roku when your TV comes with something equivalent.
That's no use for people who don't have it (i.e. everyone I know). Those that do have smart TVs use Rokus, but that may be because their TVs are older (likely not Android).
And in any case, it doesn't check all the boxes - particularly the one about "use in motels/hotels when I travel"