UMN CS&E Statement on Linux Kernel Research

Post by kapp_in_life » Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 5:46 AM UTC

thu2111 wrote: post #304

kapp_in_life wrote: post #149

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Other than the three in question no others were intentionally buggy. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YIBMKSovJumS79SR@pendragon.idea... Best to spend time auditing every commit in the kernel for bugs rather than grandstanding over the commits from one university's members.

How do you know? These people already attempted to manipulate the kernel maintainers repeatedly, even after being caught. Nothing they claim about their own work can be trusted.

"These people" being every student/faculty member at the University of Minnesota for the past few years?

Post by kentonv » Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

burnished wrote: post #295

kentonv wrote: post #177

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Temporarily banning UMN until they can get their IRB act together makes sense, but wholesale reverting every commit ever made by a UMN e-mail address -- whether affiliated with this research or not -- seems kind of extreme? I'm not sure how many people here understand this, but the University of Minnesota is quite large, over 50,000 people. That's comparable to the entire population of Palo Alto and is larger than MI…

Seems like you might be overvaluing the schools contributions? 50k people is a lot but how many changes were reverted?

My point was more about collective punishment than about the value of the contributions. Unrelated people at UMN that have contributed code to Linux shouldn't have their work thrown away.

That said, there were hundreds of reverted commits and many of them were fixing real security bugs. In particular, the same security researchers that did the questionable experiment has also contributed many real bug fixes.

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