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Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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nickthemagicman wrote: post #320
sofixa wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which are incomparable due to a vast amount of variables ( culture, population density, population spread in housing, temperatures, weather, etc.)

That's patently false. Everyone compares countries all the time. You literally just did it a few posts up by comparing it to other Scandinavian countries which are all different from Sweden. Covid zealots compare other countries to New Zealand when it's convenient. All with different cultures climate population density etc. If what you're saying is true then you can't make any claims about any country's success rate…

Scandinavian countries have similar cultures, population densities, climates, customs ( e.g. people don't kiss on the cheek when they meet, which is what French people used to do pre-pandemic). They're more comparable between themselves than with Spain, with an entirely different climate, people living much closer together, etc.

New Zealand are isolated by water from everyone, lockdown is drastically easier in that case.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by nickthemagicman »

sofixa wrote: post #331
nickthemagicman wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's patently false. Everyone compares countries all the time. You literally just did it a few posts up by comparing it to other Scandinavian countries which are all different from Sweden. Covid zealots compare other countries to New Zealand when it's convenient. All with different cultures climate population density etc. If what you're saying is true then you can't make any claims about any country's success rate…

Scandinavian countries have similar cultures, population densities, climates, customs ( e.g. people don't kiss on the cheek when they meet, which is what French people used to do pre-pandemic). They're more comparable between themselves than with Spain, with an entirely different climate, people living much closer together, etc. New Zealand are isolated by water from everyone, lockdown is drastically easier in that c…

Swedes are European and share as much in common with Europeans as they do with other Scandinavian countries. Comparing Sweden to other European countries is a perfectly valid comparison.

You're cherry picking and choosing cultural aspects and labeling it as 'unquestionable fact' with no scientific evidence.

Classic Covid zealot move.

As a matter of fact, we're all human beings that like to congregate together and eat out and go to bars and coffee shops and see live music, and our biological drives have way more significance than anything cultural .

It's extremely disingenuous.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by sofixa »

DrJones1098 wrote: post #327
EdwardCoffin wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not posting to try to convince you, as you're clearly beyond reason. I just find some aspects of your comments here interesting, and worth laying out for any third party who might read them. First you attacked a comment (above), claiming they'd moved goalposts in their arguments, and then you claimed hospitals had not overflowed. Subsequently, you responded to a comment providing a citation saying they did , by d…

I'm glad you marked my words. Texas had 40,000 people at a football game, has no covid restrictions, and is at record lows for Covid. With the exception of Michigan almost every single state has reached record lows of Covid. It's not an exact science but we have reached herd immunity in almost all of America within a few months of what I predicted. All with only 25 to 40 percent vaccination number. So it's clearly no…

I don't know what the f your problem is, but you're wrong. France is today, even past the worst of the current wave, still at more than 100% original capacity of ICU beds. (118% for France, 152% for the Ile de France region with Paris)

Official sources and raw data: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210310-paris-hospitals-... https://bonjour.tousanticovid.gouv.fr/app.html#chiffres

Are you going to shift the goalposts again and redefine to "Anglosphere first world countries"? Or are you going to admit you don't know what the hell you're talking about?

"Covid zealots" is a peculiar term, i'll give that. Makes little sense of course, but nothing you say does.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by sofixa »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #332
sofixa wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scandinavian countries have similar cultures, population densities, climates, customs ( e.g. people don't kiss on the cheek when they meet, which is what French people used to do pre-pandemic). They're more comparable between themselves than with Spain, with an entirely different climate, people living much closer together, etc. New Zealand are isolated by water from everyone, lockdown is drastically easier in that c…

Swedes are European and share as much in common with Europeans as they do with other Scandinavian countries. Comparing Sweden to other European countries is a perfectly valid comparison. You're cherry picking and choosing cultural aspects and labeling it as 'unquestionable fact' with no scientific evidence. Classic Covid zealot move. As a matter of fact, we're all human beings that like to congregate together and eat…

You have never visited any of those places, have you?

I don't know what "Covid zealot" is supposed to mean, but i think you need a reality check.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by nickthemagicman »

sofixa wrote: post #334
nickthemagicman wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swedes are European and share as much in common with Europeans as they do with other Scandinavian countries. Comparing Sweden to other European countries is a perfectly valid comparison. You're cherry picking and choosing cultural aspects and labeling it as 'unquestionable fact' with no scientific evidence. Classic Covid zealot move. As a matter of fact, we're all human beings that like to congregate together and eat…

You have never visited any of those places, have you? I don't know what "Covid zealot" is supposed to mean, but i think you need a reality check.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

Your personal experience is not a valid citation.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by DrJones1098 »

sofixa wrote: post #333
DrJones1098 wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad you marked my words. Texas had 40,000 people at a football game, has no covid restrictions, and is at record lows for Covid. With the exception of Michigan almost every single state has reached record lows of Covid. It's not an exact science but we have reached herd immunity in almost all of America within a few months of what I predicted. All with only 25 to 40 percent vaccination number. So it's clearly no…

I don't know what the f your problem is, but you're wrong. France is today, even past the worst of the current wave, still at more than 100% original capacity of ICU beds. (118% for France, 152% for the Ile de France region with Paris) Official sources and raw data: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210310-paris-hospitals-... https://bonjour.tousanticovid.gouv.fr/app.html#chiffres Are you going to shift the goalpo…

The first article that you linked was a news article and said "Near capacity" not "Over capacity" and the second link you posted didn't have ICU numbers that I could see.

ICU's run "near capacity" all the time, so the news source you linked is simply stating a normal situation in a sensational context.

See here: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/2-healthc....

What I mean by Covid zealot is people who believe things that aren't real about Covid based on poor critical thinking and/or poor understanding of the data or some other reason that I don't understand.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by sofixa »

DrJones1098 wrote: post #336
sofixa wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what the f your problem is, but you're wrong. France is today, even past the worst of the current wave, still at more than 100% original capacity of ICU beds. (118% for France, 152% for the Ile de France region with Paris) Official sources and raw data: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210310-paris-hospitals-... https://bonjour.tousanticovid.gouv.fr/app.html#chiffres Are you going to shift the goalpo…

The first article that you linked was a news article and said "Near capacity" not "Over capacity" and the second link you posted didn't have ICU numbers that I could see. ICU's run "near capacity" all the time, so the news source you linked is simply stating a normal situation in a sensational context. See here: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/2-healthc... . What I mean by Covid zealot is people wh…

The second link includes ICU numbers in the "rea" ( for reanimation, the French term for ICU). Pre-pandemic capacity is readily available online.

ICUs in France had their capacity doubled over last summer, and since the beginning of the year everything elective has been postponed to make place for Covid patients.

> What I mean by Covid zealot is people who believe things that aren't real about Covid based on poor critical thinking and/or poor understanding of the data or some other reason that I don't understand

So denialists that still fail to grasp the gravity of the situation, like yourself?

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by DrJones1098 »

sofixa wrote: post #337
DrJones1098 wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first article that you linked was a news article and said "Near capacity" not "Over capacity" and the second link you posted didn't have ICU numbers that I could see. ICU's run "near capacity" all the time, so the news source you linked is simply stating a normal situation in a sensational context. See here: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/2-healthc... . What I mean by Covid zealot is people wh…

The second link includes ICU numbers in the "rea" ( for reanimation, the French term for ICU). Pre-pandemic capacity is readily available online. ICUs in France had their capacity doubled over last summer, and since the beginning of the year everything elective has been postponed to make place for Covid patients. > What I mean by Covid zealot is people who believe things that aren't real about Covid based on poor cri…

Unless, I'm missing something about that link you posted, it's just simply showing REA numbers increasing and not the total capacity of ICU.

Patient numbers are still NOT ICU capacity. Numbers can go up and still not be at capacity.

If I'm indeed not missing something that is either poor reasoning or a disengenuous citation.

If you get all of your information from the news media there's 'gravity to the situation' but if you look at statistics...

Covid is mostly over in the states and either over or on the downswing around the world, with the exception of a few third world countries.

You should look at statistics and not the news media.

In the U.S., States are at record lows of new infections and almost every state has lifted most of it's restrictions and we're not even at 40% vaccination rate.

Even New Zealand has opened it's borders to Austrailia and their vaccination rate is in the mid teens.

Covid's fatality rate in the states was around 0.00125 and I'm assuming other places as well.

Trying to understand the gravity of the situation that you claim exists.

It's like The 3 billion people who believe in God. Despite all evidence to the contrary the zealots will cling to their narrative.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by EdwardCoffin »

DrJones1098 wrote: post #338
sofixa wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The second link includes ICU numbers in the "rea" ( for reanimation, the French term for ICU). Pre-pandemic capacity is readily available online. ICUs in France had their capacity doubled over last summer, and since the beginning of the year everything elective has been postponed to make place for Covid patients. > What I mean by Covid zealot is people who believe things that aren't real about Covid based on poor cri…

Unless, I'm missing something about that link you posted, it's just simply showing REA numbers increasing and not the total capacity of ICU. Patient numbers are still NOT ICU capacity. Numbers can go up and still not be at capacity. If I'm indeed not missing something that is either poor reasoning or a disengenuous citation. If you get all of your information from the news media there's 'gravity to the situation' but…

> Covid's fatality rate in the states was around 0.00125 and I'm assuming other places as well.

Totally wrong. Johns Hopkins says the case fatality rate in the states is 1.8% [1]. Many others are worse, like Canada at 2.0% and 2.9% for the United Kingdom.

[1] https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by nickthemagicman »

EdwardCoffin wrote: post #339
DrJones1098 wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless, I'm missing something about that link you posted, it's just simply showing REA numbers increasing and not the total capacity of ICU. Patient numbers are still NOT ICU capacity. Numbers can go up and still not be at capacity. If I'm indeed not missing something that is either poor reasoning or a disengenuous citation. If you get all of your information from the news media there's 'gravity to the situation' but…

> Covid's fatality rate in the states was around 0.00125 and I'm assuming other places as well. Totally wrong. Johns Hopkins says the case fatality rate in the states is 1.8% [1]. Many others are worse, like Canada at 2.0% and 2.9% for the United Kingdom. [1] https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

500,000 dead / 400 million people.

You can do the math.

Hell only 33 million in the states tested positive for contracting Corona.

33 million / 400 million

Which is infection rate of .0825

Even if you double it to account for non tested cases that .16% JUST CASES.

Even if you double that you're not even at 1% yet.

The experts err to the EXTREME side of safety.

These are the same experts that say only eat steak if it's well done and not to drink more than 2/3 cup of wine in an evening.

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