Live data from Hacker News

CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

cnbc.com

331–340 of 511 posts

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

#331
post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you not see what the importance of this new infrastructure? I come here and read these comments and am just at a loss for words at this point. Forget Bitcoin and look at Ethereum. This tech is so powerful I am in some ways scared of it and you call it a fad. The gulf between our interpretations drops my jaw to the floor :)

Can you name some use cases that aren’t trading crypto derivatives or crypto debt? Ethereum is certainly more interesting than Bitcoin but the use cases so far seem to be more speculation.

Censorship-free distributed storage (using Ethereum & Filecoin)

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

#333
post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first use of gold as an exchange was 550 BC. Our fiat money has been around since the 1970s with staggering blowups Come back to me on 2500 years and we'll see who has the better track record.

Generally speaking we don't need to wait as long as the previous iteration existed to prove the new generation is successful. For instance, I think it's fair to say e-mail is a success, even though the first postal system was established under Cryus the Great in 550 BCE in Persia. The first e-mail was sent in 1971. Are you saying we won't be able to declare victory on e-mail until the year 4492?

Sure. I think people will be sending physical mail to each other longer than using pop3 smtp and imap

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

#334

Instead of killing it by banning it, I suspect they could kill it by buying it. If the Fed wanted to "invest" in Bitcoin, it would kill it by soaking up liquidity and creating a liquidity-squeeze. Because the amount in circulation is fixed, it wouldn't have to buy all of the Bitcoin -- just enough to kill any utility. This is a downside of an asset with a fixed quantity. Once the community discovered the liquidity-sq…

[deleted]

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

#335

> U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and other officials have warned about the use of cryptocurrencies for illicit transactions. Wait until you hear about cash. More seriously (and hopefully less reductionist) i feel nations who embrace cryptocurrencies early will see mixed results as the landscape matures. I am more confident that nations which turn their back on it, or shut it out completely, will see a loss of o…

Crypto maximalists - and I know a LOT of them - are drawn to crypto because of ideology, not just the money. The idea that a person should own his/her own assets, be able to share and use them whenever they want, and be free from government censorship and foolhardy economic stewardship is incredibly powerful. When governments talk about banning crypto, what scares them isn't crypto; it's this ideology. And this ideol…

What you described as the ideals of crypto maximalists largely applies to fiat currency. Individuals "own" their own USD, are able to share and use as they please within the bounds of legality.

Not sure what it means to "censor" currency, but if they consider governments' economic stewardship to be foolhardy, why would they consider the wisdom of miners, programmers or the crypto's regulating body to be superior?

What's left is the question of legality, anonymity lets users skirt the government's laws, which has value to basically criminals.

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

#336
post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes there are saner things to do with 100k, but GP was just comparing the 2 options, and you asked "Hows that better than a bank account?" and I answered...

Its clearly not better, its worse. You exchange possible interest rates with a rather incalculable risk of total loss or some absurd insurance fees which are likely to be higher. If putting paper in a safe would be better then someone (probably the bank itself) would offer that as a service. If they cant make it lucrative at scale you certainly cant either.

Sigh, you made me regret responding to your initial question.

FWIW commercial banks have had negative interest rates for a few years now.

https://www.truewealth.ch/en/blog/negative-interest-switzerl...

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

#337
I think many underplay the real advantages of crypto assuming it’s all used for nefarious reasons, I use crypto quite frequently now, especially BCH (Bitcoin Cash), I can send this internationally for less than the cost PayPal changes for international payments. So why not use it, if the other person accepts it.

In addition here is a real business (gpu.land) going only crypto as it provides better options:

“I’m reaching out to let you know that as of today we'll no longer be taking cards for top up, and instead we'll be taking crypto payments.

The problem is fraud. A lot of people try to use stolen cards to mine on GPU.LAND, despite all the defenses and pledges not to do it. When chargebacks come through, we're on the hook, and to date that meant losing 30% of our revenue.”

In some cases Some might prefer to keep their bank from knowing exactly what theyre spending money on even tho it’s perfectly legal e.g. paying for porn, supporting a political dissident etc.

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

#338
post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sovereign identity, DAOs, NFTs (not just the art stuff which atm is a little cringe but game items, land registries, deeds), stablecoins (usdc, dai, yes there is also wilder experimentation here). I think people can quickly get dissuaded by some negatives like lack of scaling or environmental issues. These are real but are being solved. We really need communities like HN to engage because if proponents are right then…

And what are some example use cases you can do with those things, or that people are using them for? Genuinely asking. I see people very excited about things like DAOs, but most descriptions seem to be about inter crypto use cases. With the early internet it was easy enough to see there were use cases like “instantly send a letter to someone across the world” or “order a book not stocked at your local store” or “go d…

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3680926-binance-launches-trada...

Liquidity for things that don't normally have liquidity.

Example: like wrapped Bitcoin, you could create wrapped Wine. Say you've got $1 million in a wine cellar. Create a wrapped token which allows you to use it as collateral or provide it to a liquidity pool to generate revenue.

Now your wine is earning you interest. Something like this may already exist...

Same for Tesla stock above. Now that a TSLA token exists you could provide to a pool for interest since it doesn't pay a dividend.

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

#339
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whatever your stance on cryptocurrencies are, what is of little dispute is the business opportunities they have created. Binance and Coinbase are large, successful companies. Poloniex was sold for ~400M. I find this argument a little weird, because I think we can all agree that bubbles and fad tech isn't really great for society as a whole. If you believe cryptocurrencies aren't a fad and actually provide useful be…

I admire that controversial opinion, but would you really be comfortable with a federal authority telling you which software on your computer is "great for society as a whole" and which is a fad?

Oh I totally would if it were fucking up my country's attempts to meet the Paris climate accord.

But I'm not American and have no problem with a nanny state doing the right for society (crypto libertarians really, really hate society I have noticed).

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

#340
There seems to be 2 types of discussion about Bitcoin I've read so far:

A) 95% of the discussions and focus on the strict monetary value of the Bitcoin as an investment and financial gains.

B) 5% are related to ideological concepts of a decentralized monetary system and how that's a very good thing.

I fail to see the real value for humanity in general for this, not to mention the environmental impacts of the energy consumption of the bitcoin mining operations.

I am open to reading other points of view.

Post reply on HN