Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Setting up Starlink

jeffgeerling.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

331–340 of 340 posts

Re: Setting up Starlink

#331

Post by polartx »

walrus01 wrote: post #143
stochastician wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is OT but can you share a little bit more about what it's like living in East Idaho? I grew up in Boise and now live in Chicago but with the way things have been going lately I've been considering moving back, and there's a real appeal to living in a smaller town in the eastern part of the state (my dad was from Twin Falls). Internet access is always a bit of a concern though, which maybe Starlink ameliorates? S…

I know a few people from the Seattle area who do part time work there - unless you enjoy and agree with religious fundamentalists, die-hard MAGA anti maskers or people whose personality revolves around owning 35 guns, you might want to spend some time there first... Boise by comparison is much more secular and liberal than some of those areas.

Here I am trying to read about satellite internet and you have to pollute the discussion with toxic partisan cliches and irrelevant divisive anecdotes.

I wish you’d quarantine yourself to social networks like Reddit where the discourses are already sufficiently poisoned.

Re: Setting up Starlink

#332

Post by Trias11 »

walrus01 wrote: post #157
7e wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you compare with T-Mobile’s 5G home Internet plan? Similar numbers advertised, $60 a month, no caps.

"no caps" - but watch what happens if you move 200 or 300GB downstream on a LTE based last mile residential connection in a month. you'll either get shut off, throttled to a few Mbps, or billed extra. Look at the fine print in the terms of service. If you have a household with multiple people that watch netflix, download movies, or even want to download a single xbox one or PS4/PS5 game (they can be 120-180GB now), w…

Correct.

Typical is to quietly throttle you into oblivion.

Above average users are not and never welcome.

Re: Setting up Starlink

#333

Post by walrus01 »

polartx wrote: post #331
walrus01 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a few people from the Seattle area who do part time work there - unless you enjoy and agree with religious fundamentalists, die-hard MAGA anti maskers or people whose personality revolves around owning 35 guns, you might want to spend some time there first... Boise by comparison is much more secular and liberal than some of those areas.

Here I am trying to read about satellite internet and you have to pollute the discussion with toxic partisan cliches and irrelevant divisive anecdotes. I wish you’d quarantine yourself to social networks like Reddit where the discourses are already sufficiently poisoned.

The person asked "what's it like living in east idaho" - and I answered based on some very detailed descriptions provided to me by people who've spent a lot of time there. I consider it an unavoidable fact that unless you are an ideological match with the majority of the persons who already live there, it's going to be a very miserable experience. Some of the social attributes that I described are statistically documented for that region in poll data.

Considering that probably 40% of your hn comments seem to be some variety of partisan axe grinding on American-specific political issues, maybe you might want to take a look in the mirror first.

Re: Setting up Starlink

#334

Post by walrus01 »

snurfer wrote: post #328
walrus01 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for a very brief period of time my starlink connection was exiting the cgnat to the internet in chicago (the first hop that was a public IP was 1-2ms from various ISPs' looking glasses in chicago), and the latency matched for return trip to LEO/back, down to earth station in the pacific northwest, and then transport circuit to chicago and back. Then after a couple of days it went back to Seattle.

Is your impression that the service is improving? [We are South of the 45th parallel, by the way.] I think service is improving for us; we don't get the regular 5-10 second disconnects that were occurring every 10 or 15 minutes. According to fast.com, our loaded and unloaded latency has improved. Most media consumption (web pages, video, etc) compares favorably to a terrestrial service. However, Xbox Live (the limit…

It is definitely much better since mid January with increasing satellite density. Getting the antenna to a really high position on your roof with no tree obstructions around is important. Right now it's averaging about 0.28% loss to Seattle over the past 3 hours. But there are still some very brief periods of 4-5 second hiccups. Based on the monitoring systems I have running, it's more like 0.00% loss for long extended periods of the time now, and then a minute or two with about 10% loss. I haven't tested it a lot for online gaming but realtime voice/video conference type stuff all appears to work normally.

There is presently a very big difference in simultaneous satellite density and lack of gaps at 49N vs 44-45N, however.

Re: Setting up Starlink

#335

Post by walrus01 »

throwawayboise wrote: post #300
gkop wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Replying to your reply, I don’t buy it. Your experience now on Starlink is analogous to being the first WISP subscriber on a newly deployed AP. Time will tell anyway. (And I will still be a grateful Starlink customer at my off-grid cabin, even with the throttling and caps. Starlink is a game changer!)

If your cabin is off-grid, why do you want to be online? Doesn't that sort of defeat the point?

photovoltaic power systems are a lot less costly than they used to be - if you're fully off grid and won't be connecting to it, having absolute fidelity to electrical code might not be a high priority. If you have some technical ability and can follow documentation and instructions, big 360W panels are like $0.45/watt now, and the setup process for a charge controller and battery bank isn't excessively difficult.

Re: Setting up Starlink

#337

Post by fastball »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #141
fastball wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, for me it would be $8.50. For reference, this is an order of magnitude greater than the typical power consumption for existing satellite dishes / 4G modems, which typically operate at around 10W of power consumption.

For reference, most existing satellite dishes are receive only, and 4G modems only have to close link on a tower a few miles away, and at RFs where atmospheric attenuation is much lower.

Huh? You think existing satellite internet is receive only? How exactly would the web work in such a system?

Re: Setting up Starlink

#338

Post by GendingMachine »

jjeaff wrote: post #266
kiwijamo wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've observed download starting slow and getting faster on all connection types: dialup, DSL, fibre, mobile wireless from 2g to 4g. It's just how TCP operates. Interesting that your experience on Comcast is different.

I'm not sure that bursting at the beginning has much to do with the underlying tech but more with marketing.

I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with trying to trick speed tests into reading higher speeds before it slows down.

Re: Setting up Starlink

#339

Post by doanerock »

rubatuga wrote: post #214
freedomben wrote: post #73

I'm using Starlink right now. AMA. I'm in East Idaho. Currently my dish angles itself to the north. It rarely moves itself north/south, and slightly moves east/west throughout the day. I've read that right now it locks onto a single satellite, although they're adding multi-satellite support later. My speeds are inconsistent, and interestingly they start slow (around 60 Mbps) but after a couple seconds they'll get to…

We actually launched a service that provides you with a public IPv4 address and a /56 IPv6 block over WireGuard. It bypasses CGNAT and provides unblocked ports, including port 25. The cheapest plan starts at $8/month. Here's a link! https://hoppy.network

I am curious about your wire-guard setup. Have you been able to automate the setup or is it still a manual process to set up a new customer connection? I have been waiting for wg-dynamic to be ready because I dont feel like using static assignments. It looks like it could be a while until wg-dynamic is ready. What has you experience been?

Re: Setting up Starlink

#340

Post by rubatuga »

doanerock wrote: post #339
rubatuga wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We actually launched a service that provides you with a public IPv4 address and a /56 IPv6 block over WireGuard. It bypasses CGNAT and provides unblocked ports, including port 25. The cheapest plan starts at $8/month. Here's a link! https://hoppy.network

I am curious about your wire-guard setup. Have you been able to automate the setup or is it still a manual process to set up a new customer connection? I have been waiting for wg-dynamic to be ready because I dont feel like using static assignments. It looks like it could be a while until wg-dynamic is ready. What has you experience been?

Yes, it is fully automated. I don't think wg-dynamic will be ready in the next few years, or even remotely cross-platform when compared to the current wireguard implementation and popularity. Our code for choosing an IP address from our pool is really short, just a quick SQL query and a round robin selection.
Post reply on HN