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Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by mikem170 »

gotoeleven wrote: post #53
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #9

The pandemic has made me believe we need to be greater consiquentalists in our polices. It's pretty obvious that on the whole the AstraZeneca vax will save more people than are killed from the side effects. We don't not live in a 0 risk existence.

As we have learned over the last year, doing a cost benefit analysis on anything related to covid is the equivalent of drowning your grandmother in a bathtub.

And not just financial costs, but quality of life costs. One to two years of restrictions, quarantine, and/or lockdown is a sizeable fraction of everyone's lives.

I feel bad for people in countries where people are even restricted from being outdoors, despite hearing again and again that outdoors is the safest place to be.

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by h3cate »

lxgr wrote: post #147
WanderPanda wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats why everyone should be free to chose to get vaccinated. It is not fair to transfer the disease risk from old/risk groups to (longterm) side-effect risks for young/healthy people

> Thats why everyone should be free to chose to get vaccinated. Isn't that the case? At least in my country, there is no obligation to take the vaccine, and even incentives (e.g. being able to attend public events sooner) are seen very critically.

People in the UK are pushing for a vaccine passport that people will need to be allowed into venues or travel. Here's a story from today about BA introducing a passport to travel - BBC News - Covid-19: British Airways plans app-based travel pass https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56392570

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by calchris42 »

giantandroids wrote: post #8

You do have to wonder if some of this is politically driven. Germany are losing hundreds of life's a day, while in the meantime the UK has administrated 23 million doses (not sure the ratio of those that were AstraZeneca) and not recorded a single fatality or adverse reaction and are seeing infection rates / deaths drop. I can understand caution under normal circumstances, but nothing is normal right now.

We will at some point have vaccinated the true believers and be left convincing the rest of the population to get their shots. From that perspective, taking action to demonstrate that we are being absolutely rigorous on the safety of the vaccines might be the global optimal in terms of minimizing time to herd immunity. Especially if we keep manufacturing the shots while studying the data.

Just a thought with zero data behind it...

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by de6u99er »

My better half was olanned to get vaccinated with it tomorrow. Because of people dying from blood clots after getting vaccinated, we decided it might be a good idea to take Aspirine as blood thinner. But today I read that oeople had issues with bleeding and cloting.

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by mike_d »

tazjin wrote: post #302
sradman wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The EMA has said that as of March 10, a total of 30 cases of blood clotting had been reported among close to 5 million people vaccinated with the AstraZeneca shot in the European Economic Area, which links 30 European countries. "The decision today is purely precautionary..." given this level of signal. We don't have details on the age groups involved and the normal rates expected but I can hazard a Fermi Estimate…

> the risk is minuscule compared to COVID-19 itself You don't know this at all - we don't know what age groups are affected here, and COVID is pretty much negligible in many younger age groups. It's best to wait for more data to come in before drawing any conclusions.

> COVID is pretty much negligible in many younger age groups

"Paediatricians in Israel, which has surged ahead in vaccinating its adult population, reported a sharp rise in covid-19 infections among young people, with more than 50 000 children and teens testing positive in January—more than Israel saw in any month during the first and second waves."

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n383

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by mikem170 »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #221
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ummmm... I already have been vaccinated and it feels amazing not having a fear of death over me. Guess what. I'm going on vacation to a beach in a few weeks because you know, science.

I hope not, but those can be famous last words. Even if AZ works as marketed, it's no where near 100%. Then we have different strains

What you said about different strains has never been more than click-bait and conjecture. Please stopping spreading this, people are scared enough already. This is not how t-cell immunity and coronaviruses work [0].

From an article titled "Lab studies suggest Pfizer, Moderna vaccines can protect against coronavirus variant" I quote:

"While the blood serum samples produced less neutralizing antibody activity, it was still enough to neutralize the virus, they wrote in a letter to the journal. This is in line with other studies. And it's well within what is seen with other viruses, one of the researchers said." [1]

[0] https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+immunity+from+other+co...

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/17/health/pfizer-vaccine-south-a...

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Post by addicted »

leereeves wrote: post #301
mynameisvlad wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or alternatively, they wish to push the vaccines and end of lockdown into Spring/Summer, where natural seasonality will take care of COVID and give the appearance that lockdown and vaccines were a success. Did you somehow forget that this is the second year of Covid? We've already gone through the whole "natural seasonality" cycle and the disease is very much still here.

Take a look at this COVID daily trends graph from the CDC: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrends... From an average of about 50k cases reported daily in April through October to about 200k cases reported daily in November, December, and January, then back down to 60k by March. And there's a similar winter increase in the worldwide cases (some of which is from the US cases, but not all): https:/…

Winter also corresponds with holiday seasons.

Further, South American countries were some of the worst hit during the Nov - Feb timeline. South Africa was badly hit around this time. And all these are Southern Hemisphere countries that were experiencing summer around then.

Now, there’s clear evidence that warmer weather makes things easier, since the virus has lower survivability outside a host in the heat, so all things equal, the spread would be lower in warmer weather, but it’s not so much lower that it can be considered seasonal, like the flu.

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Post by addicted »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #293
HenryBemis wrote: post #279

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>can blunt your immune system response (Not a doctor) From listening to the "Faucis" of various countries (incuding the original): I believe that the vaccine is not a watered down virus , so technically you are not making yourself vulnerable/more sensitive to the virus. It is suppsed to 'teach' your body how to build the defence. Only the Chinese virus is a 'watered down' version of the virus. All the others (includi…

What in the world are you going on about? Drugs can make your immune system's response less severe--this is straight medical fact, look up diphenhydramine (benadryl) or anti-histamines in general. No where did I say any of these vaccines are 'live' or even attenuated coronavirus. It is 100% impossible to get infected with covid-19 from any of the vaccines. However it is possible to take a drug which lowers your immun…

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Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by 2ion »

fab1an wrote: post #133

Looks like this may be a bit more relevant than many of the snarky comments would suggest - the relevant German authority on this said that they have seen a unexpected increase in a specific type of blood clotting issue that usually is very rare: https://www.pei.de/DE/newsroom/hp-meldungen/2021/210315-voru...

It's not a medically reasonable response that solicits snarky remarks, it's the complete retardation of the official covid response so far, and even reasonable decisions just are landing on a pile of steaming crap now.

- billions per week of half assed lockdown vs a few billion more for high quality timeley vaccine delivieries of the good stuff --- of course they chose the lockdown

- open schools as if nothing happens vs using UV-based air filtering machines and so on as a minimum level of precaution --- of course they choose to open schools with classrooms some of which even don't have windows that can be opened properly

- governing party members of parliament scamming the public out of money by selling overly expensive, low quality masks

- minister of health busy sueing newspapers for disclosing prices on his million dollar real estate purchases vs minister of health actually being busy 24/7 with fighting the crisis

the list goes "on and on and on", these are just the most popular ones right now. It's just a dumpster fire at this point and the positives will not be recognized divorced from said pile of crap.

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by geek_at »

de6u99er wrote: post #334

My better half was olanned to get vaccinated with it tomorrow. Because of people dying from blood clots after getting vaccinated, we decided it might be a good idea to take Aspirine as blood thinner. But today I read that oeople had issues with bleeding and cloting.

actually the numbers state that AstraZeneca reduces blood clots.

AstraZeneca: 13 Pulmonary embolisms Pfizer-BioNTech: 15 Pulmonary embolisms

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