The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram • Hacker News Board

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by ogurechny » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:50 AM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #37

helen___keller wrote: post #18

I think this is the biggest takeaway for me: > We saw this dynamic metastasize in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, when well-intentioned claims of “silence is violence” (recalling the powerful 1987 ACT-UP “Silence = Death” campaign) spiraled into calling out individuals with even a small following who hadn’t come forward with a timely public statement of solidarity or remorse. Yet public posts were subject to popul…

> From well-compensated marketing teams, to hordes of self-interested proselytizers (see: bitcoin), to propaganda teams looking to influence public opinion, mainstream dark forest sites simply shift the balance of power from the platform itself to the most motivated and well-funded members of the platform This is making the perfect the enemy of the good. Also, voting systems take care of a lot of this, because naked…

Ah, those sweet days of “Web 2.0” buzzword a decade and a half ago, when everyone boasted that their service had a secret formula that processed the user submissions, user karma, their plus marks and minus marks, and produced the perfect results. All of these quite soon became an absolute circlejerk over karma, or had global community secessions and wars (often resulting in site owners appearing from the dark to remind everyone they had the last word, and that users could suck it with their idea that their opinions mattered in the system), or a little bit of both, or something similarly contrast to those promises.

A voting system does nothing. It doesn't vote, people vote. Believing that it solves any problem by itself is just as naive as believing that switching human driver with a computer solves any problem by itself, or that switching human body with a computer solves any problem by itself, or some other such sci-fi inspired tea-table talk topic popular today.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by dhosek » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:52 AM UTC

planet-and-halo wrote: post #52

bluefirebrand wrote: post #29

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> I hadn't thought of boycotting much of popular online space as being counter-cultural. It's an interesting thought I think the interesting part is that it's kind of counter-culture but it itself is not really a culture at all. There are no groups (as far as I know) for people who eschew social media. They don't meet up at the pub and talk about it, they don't have any kind of organization, even a loose one. People…

As one of these people, totally agree. I don't really have people I sympathize with over this stuff (except a few friends with whom its a minor topic of conversation) or anything I'd consider a culture. Mostly I just deleted my accounts and moved on. On the other hand, despite the lack of other people to commiserate with, it does feel a little countercultural insofar as I'm doing something different from most people,…

That's been pretty much my experience. My wife thinks I'm crazy to have deleted my Facebook and Twitter but that's really about the only interaction I have on the topic.

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Post by meowface » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:52 AM UTC

throwitaway1235 wrote: post #249

giantrobot wrote: post #173

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> most vulnerable voices It's really sad you apparently posted this seriously.

I'd like your thoughts on why their political beliefs are not vulnerable.

But vulnerability is, by itself, not that interesting of a quality.

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Post by redis_mlc » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:55 AM UTC

msla wrote: post #293

airhead969 wrote: post #126

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"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

> Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. I don't exist at your beck and call. Text me and respect that I have a life beyond hanging on the telephone, or I don't care to distinguish you from the billions of autodialers who are the only ones still rude enough to make such demands on my time. BTW, cute misspellings. Little jugs got big ears, I suppose.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/little-pitchers-have-big-e...

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Post by TameAntelope » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:56 AM UTC

xyzelement wrote: post #327

TameAntelope wrote: post #295

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Because you decide your political beliefs, and reactions to those decisions inform whether or not you continue to hold them. Unlike a protected class, which you cannot choose to be a member of. Being of a political party is not a protected class, nor should it be. The "most vulnerable people in our society" are the people who are discriminated on things they are, not things they do. Gab users are not the most vulnera…

> you decide your political beliefs, and reactions to those decisions inform whether or not you continue to hold them That's a really odd take. Throughout history, many of people have been prosecuted for what in retrospect many would agree are correct beliefs (eg: abolitionists, suffragists, believes in evolution, etc.) Do you not feel sympathy for these people, who according to you could have just avoided all their…

I don't see how any of what you just wrote is at all related to what I wrote, unfortunately...

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Post by Flowsion » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 4:03 AM UTC

imaginationra wrote: post #314

airhead969 wrote: post #110

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> We are the counterculture. Isn't that a tad bit arrogant to stick a flag in all of it? See also: https://youtu.be/uEx5G-GOS1k Youtube is "lame as fuck." Release everywhere to not be arbitrarily silenced because anything good is controversial, by definition. Why abuse the word "counterculture" so many times? It comes across like you're trying too hard. Good luck and I hope you find an audience rather than make at ob…

Its not arrogance- it is confidence. We've been doings like this for twenty years. We made Potato Phones in 2002 before a potato phone was a thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo3StA3INws Youtube is lame- our work is also archived on Internet Archive and other places- this is a 172 gb master of one of our films https://archive.org/details/heartstringmarionette Flag? I don't see a flag. I see text. The "try too har…

You literally had to link to YouTube to show us your work.. You don't see the irony in that?

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Post by ogurechny » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 4:09 AM UTC

giantrobot wrote: post #203

juststeve wrote: post #152

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> DOOM Now we’re talking. Doom was a massive deal because of the violence (as you mentioned), but also because it moved entertainment revenue away from MSM and onto PC’s and the internet.

It didn't though. By the time of Doom's release video games (console and PC) were a multi-billion dollar industry. Only a quarter of households had PCs and none had Internet access. Even by 2000 only half of all households had a computer and only about 40% had Internet access. Doom was not some watershed moment in entertainment. It was a trend setter, or at least a meme, in the industry but it didn't somehow change t…

Internet was neither the only computer network available to consumers, nor the first one. Users had been pretty connected even before they started having IP addresses. Also, Internet is not a synonym of World Wide Web.

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Post by irrational » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 4:09 AM UTC

airhead969 wrote: post #126

keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

I definitely don’t agree with the picking up the phone comment. 99/100 calls I receive are spam. I’ll only answer if you are in my contacts.

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 4:10 AM UTC

randomdude402 wrote: post #304

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #298

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And for thousands of years the churches have been saying, "The culture isn't going to give you that."

I don't understand why churches would say that, when they were the cornerstone of culture until a few tens of years ago.

Before about 300 AD, they weren't the cornerstone of culture. In much of the world, they never were.

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Post by citizenkeen » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 4:14 AM UTC

irrational wrote: post #338

airhead969 wrote: post #126

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"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

I definitely don’t agree with the picking up the phone comment. 99/100 calls I receive are spam. I’ll only answer if you are in my contacts.

I think that's what they're saying.