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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by ganzuul »

standardUser wrote: post #265
throwgender123 wrote: post #212

I've noticed throughout my life that negative outcomes that primarily affect females (math test scores, wage gap, etc) are Huge Problems That Demand Immediate Action, and negative outcomes that primarily affect males (language test scores, life expectancy gap) are just kind of how it is. I'm not bitching about it or pushing an agenda, but it's not subtle.

Generally speaking, the clearly oppressed and disadvantaged group is the one we focus on in terms of equity. Men are not, nor have they ever been, that group.

Being coerced into fighting wars that have nothing to do with you is clearly oppressive. Maintaining a society which accepts this, is oppressive. Violence for entertainment is male-focused, and oppressive.

Men are very, very oppressed. A few who have escaped into financial independence does not make a trend.

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Post by garmaine »

standardUser wrote: post #265
throwgender123 wrote: post #212

I've noticed throughout my life that negative outcomes that primarily affect females (math test scores, wage gap, etc) are Huge Problems That Demand Immediate Action, and negative outcomes that primarily affect males (language test scores, life expectancy gap) are just kind of how it is. I'm not bitching about it or pushing an agenda, but it's not subtle.

Generally speaking, the clearly oppressed and disadvantaged group is the one we focus on in terms of equity. Men are not, nor have they ever been, that group.

Maybe we should be focusing on outcomes and equality, not equity?

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by xiphias2 »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #178
endisneigh wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this take a few times and I don't really buy it. How exactly is school setup in a way that's more suitable for women compared to men? Everything you've stated (following rules and instructions, etc.) also applies in the workplace, so if you were correct you would the same sort of discrepancy in the workforce.

Everything you've stated (following rules and instructions, etc.) also applies in the workplace, so if you were correct you would the same sort of discrepancy in the workforce. In my working life every time I brazenly break the rules and ignore instructions I end up getting a raise, or promotion. This is across 5 or 6 jobs stretched out over 23 years in small businesses, and fortune 100 companies. This is because I a…

Women started breaking the rules as well now, as that’s what’s coming from the media. The problem is of course when somebody does it without providing results / breaking rules that they shouldn’t (some of the firings from Google happened because of this). I expect this to normalize though.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by finder83 »

chlodwig wrote: post #294
finder83 wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the rules are to "sit still" and "be quiet", yes, probably so. Boys are diagnosed with ADHD at a rate of 12.9% vs 5.6% for girls [1]. I've heard many counselors and psychologists (in my counseling program) suggest that many cases are misdiagnosed. Sit in any classroom or ask any teacher who their problem children are, and they're almost always boys. They're louder, more violent, more likely to disobey, and have…

Are all boys a problem? And it should be noted -- it's not the boys that are the problem it is the schools. Raise young boys in a way that is completely stifling and unnatural compared to how boys were raised for tens of thousands years based on our evolution, and then diagnose these boys as having a mental problem. No, it is society that has the mental problem.

Agreed entirely. The goals of our factory system education are not in the best interest of the individuals participating. We home school largely for that reason...I want my children, both our boy and girls, to have individual creative thought, to explore the world, to rough-house, and to not just be a "good citizen" of society. Good citizens rarely make the world a better place.

I want them to challenge, think, be introduced to the complexity and darkness of history, be able to creatively write and imagine, and to not fall in line with whatever the societal expectations and agendas are for the week.

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Post by The_rationalist »

f430 wrote: post #76
The_rationalist wrote: post #62

Related: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_cognition

the mind has no gender so how can cognition be considered different across genders? hmmm

Male and female brains while similar have some significant differences that goes beyond the androgen proportion differences. This has nothing to do with the gender identity as someone else pointed out.

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Post by LanceH »

zepto wrote: post #313
standardUser wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally speaking, the clearly oppressed and disadvantaged group is the one we focus on in terms of equity. Men are not, nor have they ever been, that group.

This is the problem with making it about sex or gender. ‘Men’ as a category may not be that group with respect to ‘Women’ as a category. But there are a huge number of men who are in fact, just as disadvantaged as a huge number of women even if that number is marginally smaller. There is no reason at all why those men’s problems should not be receiving the same attention that women’s problems are receiving, other tha…

This is the issue with scoping our solutions based on identity rather than to those suffering the symptoms we would like to address.

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Post by zionic »

908B64B197 wrote: post #318
throwaway53086 wrote: post #31

Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

With shrinking recess time and PE disappearing from some schools, I also wonder if a lot of this is caused by boys having more energy and needing more movement than girls. Energy has to go somewhere so it ends up manifesting itself in behaviors that are deemed "disruptive" (really, not sitting still and being unable to concentrate on tasks). Maybe it's something that female administrators and teachers fail to underst…

Future generations will consider us barbarians for dosing our young boys with drugs because we providing them with physical education/exercise was inconvenient to us. They'll also be able to datamine the internet from this time period and use our own words to hang us.

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Post by ganzuul »

nottorp wrote: post #316

Well yeah, I have a daughter who finished high school and I've observed: - when I was in school I only cared about results for the subjects that interested me; otherwise i did just enough to pass - when she was in school she cared about high grades for all subjects

We can't attribute any meaning to your post unless you tell us your gender.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by fullshark »

szhu wrote: post #264
twgp123 wrote: post #180

Throwaway because this is one of the data points you are required to ignore in polite society. Girls receive better grades until you blind the teachers. Teachers are biased in favor of girls, maybe because their behavior is better. The effect of biased grading is enormous and a huge disadvantage to our boys. > Gender-biased grading accounts for 21 percent of boys falling behind girls in math during middle school. [1]…

Serious question, why is this a data point we are required to ignore? There's been a lot of discourse about bias lately, so I feel like this is a data point people will welcome hearing. Thanks for sharing it.

Because people interested in bias, are only interested when the bias is in other direction.

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Post by supercon »

omot wrote: post #119

The amount of insecurity in the thread is a little embarrassing gentlemen. Let's be open minded and entertain the possibility that women are indeed more capable and that societal constructs drag down their career opportunities.

Indeed, the logical conclusion for a man who has the misfortune to end up on the complaining side of one of these conversations is simply: just shut up! Thankfully you had the courage and security to remind us of this, before we further breach the code of conduct and embarrass the male gender! /s
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