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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by throwaway_6142 »

dgellow wrote: post #264
s__s wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it happened, there was a reporter on CBC talking about how it was common knowledge in DC for a long time that there was a protest planned there. So indeed. The real question is why was there seemingly no preparation to handle it.

The protest was planned, that’s for sure. But here the context is the attack, not the protest.

Can somebody explain, since this was a long planned coup attempt against a Capitol that has its own police force, in a capital that has one of the largest and most heavily armed police forces in the world, why did the guncrazy far right militants leave their guns at home? And instead behaved mostly like an out of control protest with a few dozen violent rioters? It is a very peculiar way to attempt to overthrow a government.

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Post by exmicrosoldier »

wutbrodo wrote: post #191
exmicrosoldier wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the first legitimate critique of the Black Lives Matter organization that I've seen. I don't think it invalidates all of the points of the platform of BLM, but it does make me question the sanity and legitimacy of the organization's leadership.

I don't mean this unkindly, but your information diet has incredibly serious problems if you haven't come across any legitimate criticisms of the BLM org in the past. As someone whose pet issue has been police and justice system violence for a really, really long time, I really wish BLM wasn't the organization/movement representing this particular struggle[1]. The 2020 iteration is a little more connected to reality…

I would appreciate any pointers at good news sources you recommend.

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Post by efwfwef »

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

Every time I hear this kind of rhetoric there's a person who's a fascist and racist behind these words. BLM is a movement that is extremely easy to follow, as long as you're not a racist. Same with antifa.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by mixmastamyk »

alwaysdoit wrote: post #138
stretchcat wrote: post #78

It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

When the commander in chief is the orchestrator, blaming law enforcement is not clear cut either.

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Post by efwfwef »

bananabreakfast wrote: post #71
beefee wrote: post #45

It's chilling how quickly the tech industry has coalesced around oppressive and biased social media censorship policies. A scant few years ago, the tech industry was a beacon of free expression.

It's chilling how quickly radical terrorist groups have coalesced around using social media to coordinate their hatred and their attacks. A scant few years ago, America actively fought terrorists instead of encouraging and facilitating them.

It's chilling how we moved the blame from books and video games to social networks, wondering what will be next, VR?

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

dougk16 wrote: post #329
ryandrake wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what’s also chilling? Major tech platforms choosing to publish, amplify, and normalize: white supremacy, antisemitism, serious calls to violently overthrow democracy, conspiracies about the deep state cabal of satan-worshiping pedophiles, the health benefits of drinking bleach, denial of well understood scientific facts, etc. These things are fine for the town square, since people have free speech, but nobod…

Who gets the megaphone? My answer is either everybody or nobody. :)

Even harder: Who gets to decide who gets the megaphone? I see the problems with "nobody, therefore everybody gets the megaphone", but I see nobody that I actually trust to decide who gets it...

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by gamblor956 »

9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #20
ardy42 wrote: post #8

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> Still in the app stores I see. That's because this stuff was a tiny fraction of the activity on Facebook (it's HUGE, and still mostly for baby pictures), but a substantial fraction of the content on Parler and Gab (they're tiny , and mostly for the stuff that Facebook and Twitter ban). A lot of people who object to Parler's treatment want this conceived as a simple binary, but it's more of a matter of degree an pro…

Apple’s reasoning was their incapacity to moderate violent messages, not their ratio of violent messages.

And Facebook removes such posts when they are made aware of them, while Parler expressly does not, so what is your point?

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Post by zarkov99 »

jjoonathan wrote: post #179
Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

On one hand we have hooligans using a crowd as cover to get away with property damage. On the other we have hooligans organized for the express purpose of overturning the results of a democratic election. In the case of BLM, the crimes don't reflect on the movement's overall purpose. Nobody expects property damage to be a vehicle for police reform -- it's an argument for more police presence, if anything. In the case…

What would you call the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone if not an attempt at insurrection? Come on, can we have some intellectual honesty here? Both situations sucked, the people involved sucked, their reasoning sucked and they should all go to jail so that sane people can get back to their lives in peace. We are being forced into building absurd logical houses of cards just so we do not concede an inch to the other side. What childish madness.

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Post by r00fus »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #334
alwaysdoit wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

When the commander in chief is the orchestrator, blaming law enforcement is not clear cut either.

"Following orders" isn't a get-out-of-jail-free card. If LE didn't speak out, they are co-conspirators.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by gamblor956 »

pageandrew wrote: post #169
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s based on capacity to moderate, not on an arbitrary ratio.

The idea that a fledgling social media company needs a moderation effort akin to Facebook in order to be allowed to even exist seems very anti-competitive to me. Content still slips through the cracks on Facebook too. Parler had a moderation system in place, although it was jury-driven and not centralized.

That "fledging" social media company was personally funded by a billionaire media family.

At what point do we stop pretending that a company with access to tens of millions of dollars of funding (or more) is a "fledgling" company that isn't responsible for its own failures?

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