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Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by wsinks »

meekmockmook wrote: post #17

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

Low energy comment here, but I haven't seen GAFA as an acronym yet (and it makes sense because Netflix no longer has the same power it used to).

funny acronym too, because of 'making a gaffe' can kinda be, making a GAFA.

I agree with you that there definitely will be a new relationship between gov and tech in the next 4 years.

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Post by smoyer »

xkeysc0re wrote: post #183
Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

And his claim was refuted in mere minutes. An extremely disingenuous argument on his behalf. Glenn has done great work in the past for which he should be commended, but these days he's a contrarian in search of hot takes. It's just how the Twitter / Patreon journalist economy operates. He will throw a huge hissy fit about the mainstream media but then happily go on Fox News with Tucker.

If you're feeling lazy, it's also easier to find those posts on Facebook because that's where everyone is (network effect). Parlor was poised to capitalize on discontent with the social media companies that were banning Trump but the influx of users was just starting.

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Post by blackearl »

bigtones wrote: post #263
dboreham wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely they're observing best practice cloud process and can therefore just spin up the service in another provider pronto?

Parler have actually said they don't use any of the proprietary AWS Services because of the danger of lock in - so I think they could. They just have to move 50TB+ of data to a new provider, which is not something that can be done quickly.

Seems bizarre to be running a controversial service and not have any disaster recovery planning in place. Did they really think that these companies wouldn't eventually get tired of the controversy and kick them?

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Post by Natsu »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #289
Natsu wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For a start, the silencing competitors argument doesn't really work with AWS because they just do hosting. The complaint alleges there are deeper ties: Less than a month ago, AWS announced with a press release a new multi-year deal with Twitter. AWS will “provide global cloud infrastructure to deliver Twitter timelines.” Twitter Selects AWS as Strategic Provider to Serve Timelines, Press Center, Amazon, (Dec. 15, 2…

That's a pretty typical-looking big customer kind of arrangement for a cloud provider (including the press release), not anything seemingly deeper than typical. (To be clear, I have no inside info on this deal to know for sure, but I've worked in the past at a different big cloud provider and later at a big customer of that cloud provider.)

That's definitely possible. I have no direct knowledge of the agreement, but it's one of those things that will get sussed out later--I suspect that the precise nature of the agreement will be gone over in detail.

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Post by ArchOversight »

bigtones wrote: post #263
dboreham wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely they're observing best practice cloud process and can therefore just spin up the service in another provider pronto?

Parler have actually said they don't use any of the proprietary AWS Services because of the danger of lock in - so I think they could. They just have to move 50TB+ of data to a new provider, which is not something that can be done quickly.

Their lawsuit alleges differently though...

https://imgur.com/uu2dRPf

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Post by tptacek »

djsumdog wrote: post #216

I just want to say, I called this years ago: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/the-new-era-of-corporate-... They came for Alex Jones and I said nothing Because I didn't believe in gay frogs[1] They came for Daily Stormer and I said nothing Because I knew nothing about Daily Stormer and believed everything the media I said about them because their site was gone They came for ever heterodox opinion on Reddit and I sai…

This is like "first they came for the socialists, then they came for the socialists, then they came for the socialists, and then they came for the socialists".

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by shripadk »

Amazon leaked the email to BuzzFeed 1 hour before Parler received the email. Shocking detail if true. What was Amazon trying to do?

Quoting from the case pdf file:

"Strangely, the article with the letter was posted before Parler itself received the letter in an email, received at 7:19 pm PST, over an hour after the BuzzFeed article went online, meaning AWS leaked the letter to BuzzFeed before sending it to Parler. See Exhibit A."

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Post by inscionent »

drocer88 wrote: post #10

"Friday night one of the top trending tweets on Twitter was 'Hang Mike Pence.' But AWS has no plans nor has it made any threats to suspend Twitter’s account." Is this true?

By their own admission Parler does not have the moderation tools that Twitter have. The fact the content ever existed isn't what is at dispute.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by jcranmer »

moate wrote: post #266
wnevets wrote: post #52

I don't know if people trying to argue that twitter is just as bad as Parler are doing it out of ignorance of the issues or just bad faith. Parler isn't being dropped by private companies because a user said something mean on their service. They're being dropped by AWS, Apple, Google etc because they allow, even encourages its users to conspire to commit violence and assassinate public officials. The main reasons its…

I feel like the AWS lawyer is going to make the following claims: 1- This action (dropping Parler) is within the actions established in our ToS. 2- Parler's very goal is to attract these sort of demographics and similar actions have been taken in the past (Stormfront comes to mind) The only chance this has is if Parler has language in their contract requiring that 30-day notice of service termination. My guess is tha…

The claim on contract violation is probably their strongest claim. Or probably would be were the exhibit of the contract offered not this: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.294664...

To be fair, that does look more like a mistake--the HTML-to-PDF conversion appears to truncate a decent amount of text per page.

Ooh, just noticed, the contract also has this gem:

> Disputes will be resolved by binding arbitration, rather than in court, except that you may assert claims in small claims court if your claims qualify.

Which tosses out any claims of contract violation because you agreed to arbitrate it first!

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by whycombagator »

meekmockmook wrote: post #17

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

> GAFA

Google Apple Facebook Amazon for those unaware

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