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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by thepasswordis »

joshuamorton wrote: post #309
thepasswordis wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you consider throwing IEDs at cops while hundreds of people chant "pigs in a blanket fry em' like bacon" and try to set fire to the building the police are in violent? Or howabout permanently blinding some of the cops with lasers? Is that violent, or is that just asking for a funding change in the police department?

Those statements, one from William Barr and one from trump, turned out to be false. The pigs in blankets quote is from a peaceful 2015 protest. Trump lied about it in a Presidential debate. The officers sight returned. Edit: in response to this, you provided a video that doesn't include > throwing IEDs at cops while hundreds of people chant "pigs in a blanket fry em' like bacon" and try to set fire to the building th…

What are you talking about? There are videos of this:

IED: https://youtu.be/dm_lZxmPxUU

As for that chants: go to any of the videos of the various occupations from the summer. If that really does come from a 2015 march instead of 2020, fine, but go to any video and find the same activity (arson, assault, IEDs, lasers) and chants like "no justice no peace".

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by JarlUlvi »

gameswithgo wrote: post #267
sacks2k wrote: post #26

The people cheering this on will not be protected when the mob comes for you. We live in a digital age. If having the wrong opinion means you can get your bank accounts and all Internet presence removed from you, it's not any different than living under a fascist government.

please quit equating terrorism with “differing opinion” trump caused his followers to believe the election was a lie, and when they came to protest he egged them on to the capital building where they beat a police officer to death with an american flag while singing the anthem. they beat him to death with an american flag and trump called them patriots after. beat him to death sir, these patriots, our president said.…

Please provide the well sourced news article, or video with the beating of the police officer to death with a flag.

I'm asking because it was claimed it was a fire extinguisher, but other sources said it was a heart attack or stroke that happened many hours after the fact, and the cop had already had well-known health issues prior.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by cnlwsu »

refurb wrote: post #263
Tokkemon wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop downplaying a literally terrorist attack on the nation's Capitol.

It's entertaining how the left was so critical of the use of the word "terrorist" when talking about the War on Terror, but then immediately started throwing it around when it politically expedient.

There was a bomb planted in the capitol... how is that not a terrorist activity?

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by ketamine__ »

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #261
ketamine__ wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely the cryptocurrency would still go through an intermediary like Coinbase. And of course Coinbase could terminate their account.

It's easy to donate cryptocurrency to other people. From there getting it into cash can be a problem, but I can think of a million ways of doing it. Privacy technology helps a lot.

A million ways that look like money laundering. Are they going to tell Coinbase that the 10 million they are withdrawing is from the local laundromat?

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by alisonatwork »

rglover wrote: post #259

Maybe I'm being naive but it seems like a larger problem is being ignored here that I feel I should call attention to. This is going to piss people off and some of those people are going to be real, nothing-to-lose extremists. Actions like these though seemingly harmless in the short-term are going to radicalize the exact person/type of people that you do not want to radicalize. Because a lot of high-ranking SV folks…

I agree with this, instinctually. However, I think the political calculus here is that it's better to really piss off a "small" amount of people than allow a potentially larger group to get radicalized.

Vice did an article on this recently, when Telegram tried to kick off ISIS: https://www.vice.com/en/article/vb55bd/telegram-deplatformin...

It's interesting to consider whether the (soon to be former) president of the US deserves similar treatment to a terrorist organization responsible for tens of thousands of civilian deaths.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by j8hn »

betterunix2 wrote: post #231
cblconfederate wrote: post #136

I m sorry but all this concerted action feels (from afar) a lot like "if people don't vote the way we want, we re just gonna have to force them". It's not about overreach, but companies are not political entities, and reversing this relationship is a self-defeating travesty And if they are doing it for cheap popularity points -- well trump may be gone in a week, but his voters won't leave. this just reinforces mistru…

Sorry, are you talking about the action by Stripe, or the action of the terrorists on Wednesday? See, it is hard to know, because on Wednesday Trump held a campaign rally where he told a crowd of armed terrorists to go to the Capitol and "save" the country from "weak" Republicans who were going to vote to certify the results of the election Trump lost. Nobody is coordinating these various bans. The fact is that the T…

The argument that he gave marching orders is hyperbole.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by Trasmatta »

camhart wrote: post #199
Trasmatta wrote: post #135

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> But these moves come across not as anti-extreme-right, but anti-conservative. No, they're anti-"storm the nation's seat of government with an angry mob intent on killing members of Congress and / or the Vice President, as a last ditch effort to overturn a democratic election"

Yes some were violent. Yes those who were violent should be arrested, investigated, etc. But I'd argue half the country doesn't agree that the mobs intent was on killing members of congress. And that's the issue. You view it from that perspective, and from that perspective it makes sense to ban everything. But half the country (likely) doesn't agree with that perspective. I remember seeing bloody heads of Trump on tw…

Huh? You're really trying to compare what some randos do on Twitter to what the President of the United States did on Wednesday?

Really think about it: the President of the United States incited a mob to attack the Capitol to prevent the certification of the vote of his political opponent.

He did this by pushing constant lies and propaganda for months, and urging his followers to "fight" for him. Go watch his speech and then try to tell me he didn't know exactly what he was doing.

> Trump saying to head down the street

I'm honestly flabbergasted that you can see the culmination of Trump's actions from the past year (or however long he's claimed the election would be rigged) as just saying "head down the street".

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by [deleted] »

staunch wrote: post #171

@dang there is some clearly abusive use of flagging to silence opposing views in this thread. A sign of just how intolerant so many people have become. Please do something about it, like removing flag permissions from these users or making flagged comments remain visible. This behavior is toxic.

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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by methodin »

rglover wrote: post #259

Maybe I'm being naive but it seems like a larger problem is being ignored here that I feel I should call attention to. This is going to piss people off and some of those people are going to be real, nothing-to-lose extremists. Actions like these though seemingly harmless in the short-term are going to radicalize the exact person/type of people that you do not want to radicalize. Because a lot of high-ranking SV folks…

I don't agree with the sentiment. You cannot be responsible for people's opinions/reactions for actions you take that you feel are right. Moreover, by placating the very people you would upset otherwise by punitive actions you send a signal that their actions can go unpunished and further entrench the idea that they are right in their actions which is much more dangerous than a temporary outrage.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by jo032 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #295
jo032 wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you under the impression that the hollywood studios published an actual blacklist and openly admitted to collusion? They didn't do that, just like the tech giants are not doing that now, as they take the same action at the same time against the same target.

> are you under the impression that the hollywood studios published an actual blacklist and openly admitted to collusion? Neither publication not open admission are necessary for a combination in restraint of trade to be illegal, and you'd usually want to avoid them since they make it much easier to prove.

yes but practically big businesses can get away with these types of things without much fuss. even in the case where Apple and Google were caught wage-fixing, and there were emails from the CEOs blatantly colluding to prove it, all they got was a slap on the wrist. So it's effectively legal in my view
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