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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by at_a_remove »

ve55 wrote: post #246

It was only two hours ago when I wrote: "I'm curious if this will also escalate to low-level platforms (will hosting companies, registrars, or even ISPs start taking similar actions on a regular basis?)" when Apple removed the app, following Google Play from yesterday. It would seem this cycle is certainly not done perpetuating itself as of yet. I think we are going to have some rough times ahead of us unfortunately.…

Is Cloudflare still hosting ISIS sites? I know it was when the owner woke up in a "bad mood" and booted the first site from the service.

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Post by Causality1 »

npunt wrote: post #198

The short term calculus seems pretty clear: if a service is unable to moderate conversations that are inciting and planning imminent violence that undermines the fabric of democratic society (aka inauguration or the disruption of the transfer of power over the next 12 days), its better to shut it off than keep it around in case that violence comes to pass. Precautionary principle applies and a circuit breaker goes of…

The root is that online speech is 100% privatized. There is no online post office whose only rules are national law and is completely immune from public backlash against its users. Nobody pickets the US post office when Nazis use it to mail hateful newsletters to each other.

Online providers don't have that immunity. Everything ever said by their users has the potential to severely impact their financial health if the public reaction is significant enough.

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Post by gfodor »

I guess my issue with this is while I can understand the reasoning, isn’t the logical conclusion to this that the entire chain of technology involved in communication tools today theoretically can provide each company involved a veto based on what those bits are causing on humans? If your CPU detects hate speech, should it be able to shut down and refund your money? If your operating system does? I understand there is a line somewhere apparently around “services” but as all computing moves towards service oriented pricing, won’t this veto power become all encompassing?

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Post by timmytokyo »

blhack wrote: post #215

Are all of the people here who are saying that parler is full of all sorts of bad things actually on the website, or are you just sortof assuming that? I went to go look at the site, and it requires me to sign in to do anything, and that requires a phone number. I don't want to give them my phone number. Have you guys all seriously gone and signed up for accounts, given these people your phone number, and actually go…

A small sample:

https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347050705110986753

https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/134795743412035174...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1347253748444389377/photo...

https://twitter.com/EricHaftelLive/status/134709088303698329...

https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347293348386664449

https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347609631527489537

https://twitter.com/EricHaftelLive/status/134709088303698329...

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Post by jazzyjackson »

blhack wrote: post #215

Are all of the people here who are saying that parler is full of all sorts of bad things actually on the website, or are you just sortof assuming that? I went to go look at the site, and it requires me to sign in to do anything, and that requires a phone number. I don't want to give them my phone number. Have you guys all seriously gone and signed up for accounts, given these people your phone number, and actually go…

There's a subreddit parlerwatch that's screenshotting as much of the violence-oriented stuff as possible. It's definitely big with the qanon types and followers of Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, calling for the execution of mike pence etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/

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Post by eyelidlessness »

mjfl wrote: post #146

I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

What happens when the 5G conspiracy nuts want this hypothetical new platform to be forced to use old decommissioning networks? Appease them to keep the platform together, or accept that probably most of them will shut up and use the newer networks and let the rest go their separate ways?

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Post by seppin »

iakh wrote: post #270

The US was one guy with a gun away from a massacre of a whole lot of elected officials. There was at one point only four leos[1] between a mob screaming for hangings[2] and all of congress because of the rhetoric sites like these are pushing. People defending them sound either entirely disingenuous or woefully ignorant. 1. https://mobile.twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1346913549898149... 2. https://www.usatoday.com/sto…

> People defending them sound either entirely disingenuous or woefully ignorant.

The question of the Trump era, am I talking to someone that doesn't know the facts or knows them, and is cynically lying to my face to protect their worldview and argument.

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