Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store • Hacker News Board

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Post by enkid » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:20 AM UTC

im3w1l wrote: post #277

enkid wrote: post #202

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By people you don't like, you mean the people encouraging and coordinating an assault on the US capitol.

Trump is not the first one this happens to. Alex Jones faced a similar situation. The Gab app was also taken down in coordination. And besides they were itching to ban Trump before this already. Twitter was very clearly hinting that Trump would be banned the day he was no longer president. This protest just made it happen two weeks early.

It's almost like some event just happened that made them want to ban him...

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by seebetter » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:20 AM UTC

I’d post on my main HN account but I was shadowbanned last week.

I was blocked from sharing comments or posts in Facebook Groups for almost 2 months for sharing an article about Presidential clemency for Ross Ulbricht in the 2600 group.

From my perspective, the Organic Law of the United States has constitutional force. And any system including government agencies and public platforms, are beholden to the natural rights that preexisted all governments and all religions.

If you believe in John Locke, then defend principles. If you don’t, perhaps you should consider a country which wasn’t founded on natural rights as the lowest layer precept to our civilization. You can’t challenge first principles and replace them with relativism and a world full of neoliberal militaristic rackets.

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Post by cabaalis » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:20 AM UTC

rodgerd wrote: post #187

cabaalis wrote: post #65

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Never let a good crisis go to waste. I think we are seeing the beginning of a purge of a certain line of thought from the internet, using a few crazy people as the catalyst.

Could you explain exactly what that line of thinking is, and why you're troubled by this?

Primarily right-wing apps, websites, subreddits, communities. I'm afraid there will be attempts to cite some kind of complicity and ban them.

I'm troubled by it because right-wing != violent, and 74 million people voted for the republican candidate. Continuing to disenfranchise their speech options will not go well.

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:20 AM UTC

mumblemumble wrote: post #252

Nacdor wrote: post #150

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I'm curious why so many Democrats were allowed to encourage the BLM riots (more than 25 dead, $2 billion in property damage) without so much as a peep from Google, Twitter, Facebook or any other tech giant. Kamala Harris said "they should not stop" and helped with a bail fund for the people who were involved with them. I think protest is a fundamental requirement of democracy, and as Chris Cuomo himself reminded us:…

It's all pretty complicated, but one obvious mitigating factor is the ends being pursued by each movement. Rioting aside, BLM is ultimately pushing for justice and equality. There's also a question of blame - many would argue that most of the BLM rioting was provoked by a disproportionate police response. This movement, on the other hand, is quite transparently rooted in white supremacy, and had an explicit goal of t…

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Post by iujjkfjdkkdkf » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:21 AM UTC

mumblemumble wrote: post #252

Nacdor wrote: post #150

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I'm curious why so many Democrats were allowed to encourage the BLM riots (more than 25 dead, $2 billion in property damage) without so much as a peep from Google, Twitter, Facebook or any other tech giant. Kamala Harris said "they should not stop" and helped with a bail fund for the people who were involved with them. I think protest is a fundamental requirement of democracy, and as Chris Cuomo himself reminded us:…

It's all pretty complicated, but one obvious mitigating factor is the ends being pursued by each movement. Rioting aside, BLM is ultimately pushing for justice and equality. There's also a question of blame - many would argue that most of the BLM rioting was provoked by a disproportionate police response. This movement, on the other hand, is quite transparently rooted in white supremacy, and had an explicit goal of t…

Your argument boils down to "I agree with one cause and reject a caricature of the other, so the first should be allowed". Not agreeing with something is not a reason to ban it.

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Post by AndrewBissell » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:21 AM UTC

jackson1442 wrote: post #177

Nacdor wrote: post #150

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I'm curious why so many Democrats were allowed to encourage the BLM riots (more than 25 dead, $2 billion in property damage) without so much as a peep from Google, Twitter, Facebook or any other tech giant. Kamala Harris said "they should not stop" and helped with a bail fund for the people who were involved with them. I think protest is a fundamental requirement of democracy, and as Chris Cuomo himself reminded us:…

Did the BLM riots promote sedition? That's probably why. Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1] [1]: https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-di...

Hahah, "sedition." A big made-for-TV LARP that lasted a matter of hours where almost nobody was armed and nothing was at stake -- hardly any desks were even overturned. There wasn't even a millisecond where it looked like Wednesday's events would affect how power is wielded or who wields it in the U.S.

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Post by asddubs » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:21 AM UTC

phendrenad2 wrote: post #98

andrewvc wrote: post #36

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If you run a social network and can’t keep up with moderation for calls for violence you shouldn’t be allowed to be in business. This goes for the big tech companies as well. “It’s hard” is not an excuse.

"The law, in it's equality, forbids the rich and the poor alike from sleeping on park benches"

in the case of illegal content, this usually isn't something that doesn't exist at all one day and then exists in volumes too big to moderate the next.

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Post by anthuswilliams » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:21 AM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #148

guscost wrote: post #116

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Now this makes the “cops let them in” conspiracy super interesting. The timing is pretty convenient!

Why did they do it? There's video footage showing cops literally pulling back the barricades and waving people in. I don't understand why they did that, and surely their not doing that would have prevented the subsequent violence?

A big part of it is likely that they didn't know if the National Guard would be called out if things got out of hand. I believe the police let them in because they were outnumbered and thought letting them through once the premises were evacuated would prevent an even worse outbreak of violence if they (the police) were overwhelmed by the crowd.

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Post by seebetter » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:21 AM UTC

mumblemumble wrote: post #159

post_break wrote: post #4

Wow, is this the great purge? I don’t support certain people, but man I don’t think this is going to end well. This censorship just seems crazy to me.

This decision, in and of itself, doesn't seem particularly unprecedented or untoward to me. Every store, including the Google Play Store, has a right to choose what products it wants to carry, for pretty much any reason whatsoever, including for political reasons. It's probably pretty difficult to find copies of The Turner Diaries in your local Barnes and Noble, and I'd be even more surprised to find a copy of The Va…

Natural rights existed all governments all religions and all systems. Create a system that diminishes natural rights and by the Organic Law, it is our duty to alter or abolish such systems.

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Post by slg » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:21 AM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #258

jackson1442 wrote: post #177

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Did the BLM riots promote sedition? That's probably why. Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1] [1]: https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-di...

Wherein 100 people spilling over a barrier into a government building (and one of them getting shot to death) is somehow worse than the aforementioned billions in property damage and assaults on cops, smashed police cars, passersby attacked, stores looted, fires set... in 12 different cities around the nation?

>100 people spilling over a barrier into a government building

This isn't a fair representation of what happened and it reveals your bias. For one example, it appears a police officer was murdered with a fire extinguisher. We don't even have to get to what might have happened if the politicians weren't able to get out in time.